This sucks! I'm in a 3yr lease and Honda is releasing a CR version this fall
http://www.hondanews.com/categories/1097/releases/3913
http://www.hondanews.com/categories/1097/releases/3913
This sucks! I'm in a 3yr lease and Honda is releasing a CR version this fall
They can do whatever they want with the chassis but if they don't ditch the drive by wire and clutch delay valve it won't be much of any kind of "racer."
And it wouln't hurt things if they dropped the F20 back in.
What's wrong with the DBW? feels just like the old system. Nobody ever complains about the NSX DBW ,but people complain about it on the S2000 Clutch delay is a pain ,but easily defeatable and that was to keep people from trashing the transmission so often. After having the F20C , F22C and now the F22D I don't miss the F20C. The 9K was cool ,but hp and tq curve changes made the car more useable everyday w/o giving up it's track appeal. Also track tests show the car isn't slower at or around the track w/o the 9k
F20 vs F22 is just personal preference I guess. You definitely wouldn't catch me buying another S2000 if it was made after 2003. But that's me.I agree, after owning AP1 and AP2, AP2 is much better.
I couldn't agree more.It's definitely a personal preference. AP1s are stiffer, louder, and more raw than AP2s. AP2s are more refined and make better daily drivers. Even though I like bits and pieces of the AP2s (some cosmetics), I still find AP1s more fun to drive.
I couldn't agree more.
Other than the glass rear window, I'd prefer a MY 2000 with the cheesy carpet center console and crappy radio all day long.
I loved the way my S2K's sounded running to 9,000 rpm and personally never really felt they needed "more" torque. Just shift the damn thing. It's blessed with one of the best manual tranny's in the world... use it.:biggrin:
LOL It sounds the same at 8K LOL that's a good one though I've never heard any crap like that. Thumbs up DA HAPA..LOL!
The AP2 seriously doesn't sound the same as the AP1. It's significantly quieter, smoother, and softer feeling. For these reasons, I can definitely see how the AP2 appeals to the masses more. The AP1 feels more like a raw uncompromised sports car.
Your doing the Psych thing right? if not your really scaring me. I've actually owned all three versions and other than MY06 which is louder than MY02 they all sound the same. The AP1 out sold the AP2 so that last part is irrelevant and according to the masses they can't tell the difference.
It's fine and good for you to comment on AP1 if thats all you've ever had.
Hmmm. I say "crap like that" all the time. Have you ever driven a Z4? Maybe that would be even better suited to your needs than the AP2.I've never heard any crap like that.
Even though I like bits and pieces of the AP2s (some cosmetics), I still find AP1s more fun to drive.
Hmmm. I say "crap like that" all the time. Have you ever driven a Z4? Maybe that would be even better suited to your needs than the AP2.
The AP1 out sold the AP2 so that last part is irrelevant and according to the masses they can't tell the difference.
I agree with the above statement as I have driven all S2k models ever made (with exception of a right hand drive :wink: ).
If it so great why mod it? No repeat business to Honda. Honda should only make a car for one year and then never make it again ,because they can't improve on it. People wasted their money on the 92-05 NSX because they just weren't as good as the original same for the 01-07 S2000 all flash no substance. This is what you guys are saying
Who ever said one was inferior only people with complex's think that way.
S-TO-8K;783608With regards to the Club Racer version said:Why would you hope anything? if it's not the 00 it's bull$hit. I should've named the thread All 01-07 S2000 haters post here! Silly me
I had no idea. I apologize and thank you for the correction. AP2s just seem to be more popular in my area (the vast majority of S2000s I see on the road are AP2s).
Maybe you've taken my comments a little too close to heart
Also they were specific to myself, not other owners.
Yes, I've driven them, some for one day, some were tracked...It doesn't take years of ownership to distinguish the differences.
I'm not in business to keep Honda in business by buying every consecutive model they roll out (even though I've done so with their Accords '91-'03). Never stated that the changes to AP2's were bad, simply that they were not worth up-grading to for me.
Yes they are great. And by that I mean all S2000's. Modifying them is not for everyone, but it is of interest to me.
With regards to your comment regarding an inferiority complex, you are truly searching too deep :biggrin:
Hey you haven't renamed the thread yet? Just as well, since we are mostly just S2000 lovers posting.
Sorry. I started this thread just to share some info with my fellow enthusiasts and this turned into an AP2 criticism.