Hrant said:
Ken, to my knowledge, I am not aware of anyone who is running at or under 2:12 if they are NA1/2 without superchargers and on street tires - except for the ones you mentioned and those are really track cars given the weight/suspension/alignment/wings
Hrant,
Hrant,
FYI, this was Doug's original comment way back:
Pulp Story Teller said:
A lot of S2000 drivers all over the country are updating the Honda Hall of Fame with their lap times. (click on icon on the left hand frame to see the lap times at the various tracks). We are getting faster, due to the fact that we are using timing equipment and friendly, smack-talking competition among ourselves. I mentioned how much faster the S2000 drivers are getting in the last Thunderhill Chapter, with six S2000 drivers under 2:12, and I mentioned that I doubt you can find six "stock" cars of another make with just race tires that get under 2:12 at the same event. A bunch of Viper guys emailed me and mentioned that at the last Viper days at Thunder Hill there were about twelve "street Vipers" that made it below 2:12 on either street tires or race tires. So I stand corrected, and it seems like the Viper guys are whupping on everyone. But then again, if my S2000 engine was increased from 120 cubic inches to a Viper-like 480 cubic engines, I might be whupping on everyone also......
Viper guys are whupping on everyone at Thunderhill. And Willow.
The Viper drivers have been doing their "Timed Events" for around four years...so the S2000 guys have a couple of more years of practice to catch up to them. But until I see some other car club claiming that have more than 12 street cars below 2:12 at Thunderhill, I guess the Viper guys rule at T-Hill. With the S2000 guys next......and the rest of you guys behind us......until I get some verifiable lap times that can beat us. So if you want to get on the podium with your make of car at Thunderhill with the Viper drivers and the S2000 drivers, you have to meet the following criteria:
1. Your car must be streetable, relatively stock car. No stripped down race cars. Virtually all the S2000's that went below 2:12 have stock shocks and springs, and just added brake pads and race tires.
2. It must be the same event at Thunderhill where your group of cars beat the 2:12 lap time.
3. You must use AMB-type of transponder systems, as we want computerized printouts showing that you are fast. None of that "My buddy got it on a stop watch" crap, or "Take my word for it" BS.
4. Make it to the podium with the Viper drivers (12) and S2000 drivers (6), and I will blatantly advertise your success on this website.
If you think the rules suck, then put your own "Thunderhill Challenge" on your own damn website! And let's see you get below 2:12 at Thunderhill....
Doug' original quote
I believe that a stock NA1/NA2 NSX with R-compounds and good suspension (NSX-R/Zanardi/etc) without any aero should be able to hit 2:12's at Thill if driven and setup properly.
(BTW: No supercharger needed to get to 2:12, probably need one to get below 2:05's though)
To make it a bit more interesting I've been waiting for NSX's with *street tires* to get below 2:12's, so that we can send an email to Doug to claim our place on the Hall of Fame
(make up for the lack of R-compounds via aero and suspension mods
)
So far we have:
Andrie (Andrie's old NSX with Falken GRB's, Comptech Pro Suspension, Aftermarket Sway Bars, Porsche Big Red BBK)
Telly (Andrie's old NSX)
Kenji (NCRC Event with bypass ~2:10's == ~2:12's without bypass, with Falken GRB on the front and SO3 on the back, Carbotech Pads on stock brakes, TeinRA's, Dali Street/Race sways, Type-R braces, and Marga Hills Spoiler
)
Me
(Many events, Tein RA/Type-R Suspension, SO3's, Stoptech BBK, Taitec Hood, Type-R Braces, Big A$$ Route KS Wing)
Ken
P.S. By the way things are looking these days it looks like the Evo guys will be the next set of folks who will be making the claim
