Where are all the Production deliveries ??

Good grief. I sure hope I never accidentally buy a car rebuilt like that. What are the chances he got every bolt and nut back where they go with washers and torqued right, every wire and cable run right, everything square and true, all welds proper strength etc etc for a 190+ mph car. Maybe I'm too much of a perfectionist.

Maybe he bought it for $20K, is putting $20K into it and a buyer will be happy at $60K even with some rebuild flaws.
 
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We are happy to report we love our NSX and it's rock solid reliable. Took it for a 1000 mile trip the other day :)

A big question to many of you is if you don't own the 2nd gen NSX, what would you get? A Corvette??????


There are not many players in the realm of sports cars. If you want hybrid tech, everything else is $1M+ which is out of most people's reach.....

McLaren - we all know the issues associated with that brand

Lamborghini?

Ferrari?


That's about it - so very curious know what else would you guys even consider owning?

We are about to pick up a F-car so will report back on ownership experience but thus far the Acura has not disappointed, Love the car!


 
If you want hybrid tech, everything else is $1M+ which is out of most people's reach.....

How many owners purchased this car (or those cars: 918, LaF, P1, etc.) with the hybrid tech element as their #1 selling point? Genuine question. I think a lot of enthusiasts are buying these sorts of cars despite the fact that manufacturers are feeling the pressure to make everything electrified now.
 
Not many - hybrid is just a way station on the way to full electrification and in the future the only gas cars that will still be around will be super expensive specialty high performance cars built in very limited numbers - I agree with Jay Leno that a kid born today will probably not ever drive a gas car ( or even drive at all for that matter ).
 
"The Porsche 911 is a two-door, 2+2 high performance rear-engined sports car made since 1963 by Porsche AG of Stuttgart, Germany. It has a rear-mounted flat-six engine and all round independent suspension. It has undergone continuous development, though the basic concept has remained unchanged."

Porsche has just got to be thanking the gods and shaking their heads in amazement that people keep buying that thing, at the prices they charge, and when it looks almost the same as day 1.
 
Your NSX was rattly? Did you buy it new?
Yessir, 3 miles on the ODO. Carbon visor rattled from day 1 (fixed), and more that popped up as the miles added on (dashboard, airbag/steering wheel area, doors, windows). The window seal leak was irritating too. Was very annoying that a track-special sports car had less rattles than this luxury GT "supercar".
 
Yessir, 3 miles on the ODO. Carbon visor rattled from day 1 (fixed), and more that popped up as the miles added on (dashboard, airbag/steering wheel area, doors, windows). The window seal leak was irritating too. Was very annoying that a track-special sports car had less rattles than this luxury GT "supercar".

I gave up after they replaced the window seals on my car and the noise was the same on my 20 mile drive home. They somehow also damaged the first set of window seals when trying to install them, so the car sat for a week due to incompetence. My CF dash squeaked, and there was also a bad rattle from the center console area. I didn't trust the dealer to take apart the dash at that time, so I just lived with it. My hand built Lotus Esprit has less rattles and squeaks, and we all know about their build quality.

I expect to see someone post a reply to this saying that their car is perfectly quiet for 20,000 miles. Unless you have to drive the car everyday with these annoying noises, you just don't understand how irritating it is. Especially for a car with a $206.5k MSRP.
 
How many owners purchased this car (or those cars: 918, LaF, P1, etc.) with the hybrid tech element as their #1 selling point? Genuine question. I think a lot of enthusiasts are buying these sorts of cars despite the fact that manufacturers are feeling the pressure to make everything electrified now.

The Hybrid was a plus for me, better fuel economy, quiet mode, AWD, but not the key thing.

Really looking forward to see how the SF90 does, essentially an NSX dialed up to 11.
 
The update:

No news on the extended warranty, Acura folks still gathering info on how much to charge. The Specialist will follow up.

No idea why the yellow chosen wasn't the last one used on the Gen 1 cars. $1000 upcharge like the orange. Apparently getting yellow to color match on the bumpers is tough to do (more paint required). No yellow calipers though.

A yellow one is expected to be in Monterey, along with the TLX Type S.

The guy running Acura will drive an NSX up there to experience the scene. Plus he has had little seat time in them as the car. He can't take one home because the bumper scrapes on his driveway (love that one).

10 cars last month (which is about 2/3 of production) is terrible but the car does not appear to be at risk being dumped.

Honda is way happy with how F1 is going this season.

Most of Acura has nothing to say about the C8. They were pissed that is has a cool nose lift at that price point and the NSX has none. They don't see it as a competitor as the price point/exclusivity is completely different. They are interested insignia what GM does for a hybrid version.

One Gen 2 NSX owner has a PMC built TLX.

A couple of cars had to have the motors rebuilt as the cams were damaging the heads (manufacturing tolerance issue). Those owners got one off extended warranty.

He agreed that the guy rebuilding the Gen 2 must have got it cheap, the parts costs are high, ex. $10K for the hood.

Acura is currently tearing apart a car they bought back from a guy.

For the folks who got the pen instead of the model, that US made pen costs Honda 3 Ben Franklins.
 
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Your NSX was rattly? Did you buy it new?

It's the cars with interior carbon fiber bits which were prone to more rattles; I still have some by the side mirrors. Wind noise on the passenger side persists.

You may find the information at this website useful:

http://www.nsxwiki.com
 
Most of Acura has nothing to say about the C8. They were pissed that is has a cool nose lift at that price point and the NSX has none.

This to me was the most biting aspect of the new C8 from an Acura perspective as well. Going faster for cheaper is standard Corvette, BUT innovative tech that makes the driving/ownership experience more pleasant isn't standard vette - that is the type of stuff people look to Acura for and Chevy outdid them there. It isn't just that it has a lift, it is just how damn CLEVER that lift is with GPS mapping and such. Gotta give Chevy big props for that, it is an incredibly cool feature that really adds every day value.
 
How many owners purchased this car (or those cars: 918, LaF, P1, etc.) with the hybrid tech element as their #1 selling point? Genuine question. I think a lot of enthusiasts are buying these sorts of cars despite the fact that manufacturers are feeling the pressure to make everything electrified now.

Me. I love the unique driving experience, especially on the track. The front end pulls through and out of corners like no other car I've ever driven.
 
Me. I love the unique driving experience, especially on the track. The front end pulls through and out of corners like no other car I've ever driven.

Makes sense, but I guess what I mean is most buyers are thinking, "I want a supercar that handles extremely well," not, "I want a hybrid supercar" specifically. If they had done the same thing with torque vectoring AWD via a driveshaft, I don't think they would have lost any buyers, and the car would have likely been significantly cheaper to develop and therefore sell at a lower price. Going against the Audi R8, Mercedes AMG GT, etc. with an expensive hybrid system might not be possible in hindsight in this price class. But, maybe I'm wrong, just my theory.
 
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Makes sense, but I guess what I mean is most buyers are thinking, "I want a supercar that handles extremely well," not, "I want a hybrid supercar" specifically. If they had done the same thing with torque vectoring AWD via a driveshaft, I don't think they would have lost any buyers, and the car would have likely been significantly cheaper to develop and therefore sell at a lower price. Going against the Audi R8, Mercedes AMG GT, etc. with an expensive hybrid system might not be possible in hindsight in this price class. But, maybe I'm wrong, just my theory.

I don't think you're wrong, I was just answering the question, as it was a huge selling point for me. Not hybrid specifically, but how they executed on it is really something. Sure it would be nice to have more power from both ICE and electric, but I never feel disappointed getting out after a drive, quite the opposite.

At Road America last weekend, a guy asked me why they weren't selling and I think it's pretty simple. Most people with $200k to spend on a car don't think of Acura. I've not been in the NSX community for very long, so I have no idea if this is correct, but I sense that it's similar to the Porsche enthusiast community where a large number of passionate owners aren't the ones running to the dealership when a $200k Turbo S hits the market. The NSX was so delayed after the initial hype, it pissed a lot of faithful NSX people off to see the price and most people in this price range are more interested in "hey look at my McLaren" than "you gotta drive this thing, it's awesome".

Lot's of generalizations in my statements and there are surely exceptions, but that's my gut. I do think what gets missed in these conversations is that Acura built this car as an R&D platform. They never expected to sell 200/month despite what the capacity of PMC might be.
 
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I don't think you're wrong, I was just answering the question, as it was a huge selling point for me. Not hybrid specifically, but how they executed on it is really something. Sure it would be nice to have more power from both ICE and electric, but I never feel disappointed getting out after a drive, quite the opposite.

At Road America last weekend, a guy asked me why they weren't selling and I think it's pretty simple. Most people with $200k to spend on a car don't think of Acura. I've not been in the NSX community for very long, so I have no idea if this is correct, but I sense that it's similar to the Porsche enthusiast community where a large number of passionate owners have had their cars for a long time and perhaps bought them used and when a $200k Turbo S hits the market, they aren't the ones running to buy them. The NSX was so delayed after the initial hype, it pissed a lot of faithful NSX people off to see the price and most people in this price range are more interested in "hey look at my McLaren" than "you gotta drive this thing, it's awesome".

Lot's of generalizations in my statements and there are surely exceptions, but that's my gut. I do think what gets missed in these conversations is that Acura built this car as an R&D platform. They never expected to sell 200/month despite what the capacity of PMC might be.

I would be tempted to think the same, but when you look at it empirically I don't think the Acura name is necessarily the issue.

When the original NSX came out, Acura had no status whatsoever as a sports car maker, yet sold almost 4,000 units the first year in the USA market at a base price ($63,000) that adjusts to around $120,000 today. Some also paid markups in the beginning that would be equivalent of up to $190,000 today. And, they did this in an economy for sports cars that was sending companies like Porsche into serious financial trouble.

The base price of the new NSX is only $30,000 more than the price of the original, adjusted for inflation. The $20,000 incentive on these cars + avg. discounts makes it almost equal to the original.

I think the real issue is that the original NSX moved the game forward in ways that made people want it: much more reliable & usable than contemporary European supercars, and new technologies (aluminum frame, VTEC, etc.) that pushed the game forward without making the car overly techy (the original NSX team purposely did not include turbos, AWD, etc. despite it all being considered).

The new NSX, by comparison, has not really moved the game forward in any way other than the hybrid system. That is awesome from a theoretical standpoint, but I think the problem is that the average supercar buyer isn't really excited about hybrid alone - they are excited about either super high performance per dollar (Nissan GT-R, Corvette, etc.) or a super exciting experience (R8's screaming V10 @ 8k RPM, Porsche GT3 as an analogue track experience, etc.). The reliability and usability argument also no longer stands for the NSX, because its competitors have now all become reliable and usable (not 100%, but to a large degree).
 
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I think the real issue is that the original NSX moved the game forward in ways that made people want

I would rephrase that to say that the orginal NSX moved the game forward in ways that people could FEEL.

I think the real challenge is that sports cars have gotten SO much better than from the late 80s that it is hard to see any sort of marginal change that is usable on the street. This leaves vehicle manufacturers little room to provide an innovative experience. Starting from the late 80s (NSX introduction), I see major sports car innovation as going towards:


  • NSX - comfort and reliability. Speed, performance & styling could be had in a car that was reliable and comfortable to drive. This changed the game and other brands eventually followed suit
  • Traction control & other stability aids - the viper came out with 400hp and 450 lb-ft of torque. Just the right amount to run the car in to a ditch immediately after you signed the paperwork. It wasn't until manufacturers added nannies and stabilizing agencies that vehicles were able to go back over 400hp in a controlled manner. Cars got a LOT faster in a way that people could really feel.
  • Paddle shift - the manual driving experience could be utilized by lower skill drivers to get the performance they wanted. 6spd transmission sales dwindled. The system eventually gets honed to remove shift lag to where shifts happen in light speed. Hard to go back to rowing the gears for anything other than nostalgia.
  • ??? - what is left. This is of course the multi-billion dollar question. It may have no answer as there just isn't much left to change. Cars are already too fast for public roads, you really can't exploit their limits even remotely unless you are on very empty back roads and even then it pales compared to a race track. Cars are all now incredibly easy to drive. You can feel like a pro with very little actual talent. So where do you go from here?
 
I would rephrase that to say that the orginal NSX moved the game forward in ways that people could FEEL.

I think the real challenge is that sports cars have gotten SO much better than from the late 80s that it is hard to see any sort of marginal change that is usable on the street. This leaves vehicle manufacturers little room to provide an innovative experience. Starting from the late 80s (NSX introduction), I see major sports car innovation as going towards:


  • NSX - comfort and reliability. Speed, performance & styling could be had in a car that was reliable and comfortable to drive. This changed the game and other brands eventually followed suit
  • Traction control & other stability aids - the viper came out with 400hp and 450 lb-ft of torque. Just the right amount to run the car in to a ditch immediately after you signed the paperwork. It wasn't until manufacturers added nannies and stabilizing agencies that vehicles were able to go back over 400hp in a controlled manner. Cars got a LOT faster in a way that people could really feel.
  • Paddle shift - the manual driving experience could be utilized by lower skill drivers to get the performance they wanted. 6spd transmission sales dwindled. The system eventually gets honed to remove shift lag to where shifts happen in light speed. Hard to go back to rowing the gears for anything other than nostalgia.
  • ??? - what is left. This is of course the multi-billion dollar question. It may have no answer as there just isn't much left to change. Cars are already too fast for public roads, you really can't exploit their limits even remotely unless you are on very empty back roads and even then it pales compared to a race track. Cars are all now incredibly easy to drive. You can feel like a pro with very little actual talent. So where do you go from here?

Agreed. It's a hard space to get into these days and I'm not sure anyone has the exact answers. The NSX team actually built a great car objectively, it's just missing a certain X-factor. But, I would argue the cars that are still getting enthusiasts excited are actually pretty back to basics. Porsche is selling more GT3s than ever, Corvette has impressed everyone with a car that's still an N/A pushrod V8, and Lamborghini has done very well in recent years with cars that remain high-revving V10s & V12s. On the flip side, there are cars like McLarens that are selling due to crazy performance numbers, but to do that you have to come with a car that can demolish the competition in performance, similar to what the Nissan GT-R did a decade ago.
 
Some of the companies were a bit slow reporting this month with the Holiday week end

August 2019 US sales

NSX 25
Lexus LC 84, only 2 of these were the Hybrid
AMG GT 338 (includes the 4 door)
R8 35
GTR 41
 
So I bought a Clarity PHEV last month. I did the math and it's literally 53% off MSRP given all the Honda incentives, fed & state rebates, etc. I've been very happy with it because it's actually a great driving car, very economical, but yet lots of torque and sportiness. What's interesting is that Honda is blowing out Clarities in CA only. Shipments to other states have been haulted. AHM put forth some BS info that you can still order Clarities out of state but it seems blatantly obvious they need the CARB credits in CA due to the success of their Accords/Civics and MDXs, etc.

 
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