It seems that I've started a fire
Peter Mills said:
There are risks just living day to day. There are fewer accidents on a racetrack than during daily highway driving.
Yep that might be true, but if you are in the 1% or 0.1% who is involved in an incident at the track will that make any difference when it comes down to paying for the repair of your car because your insurance won't cover you?
Peter Mills said:
Da Hapa might learn better car control than his current ability by tracking his car. Do you suggest that he enroll in a school that teaches with front engine-rear wheel drive which is totally different that his NSX. Mid-engine cars behave differently from front and rear engine vehicles.
What about car control skills? All the general material that is taught at driver education courses offered by racing schools holds true regardless of wether or not the car is F/F, F/R, M/R or R/R, it's only when you are trying to extract more that the differences are made apparent.
I'm sure that you can learn as much about handling dynamics of a mid-engine car driving a Formula Dodge, Formula Ford or a Formula Mazda at a racing school. Learning how to get out of an understeer situation by backing off the gas a bit, learning how to get out of an oversteer situation by countersteering, being smooth on the braking, smooth on the throttle, smooth in on the steering input, being aware of your surroundings, looking ahead, heel and toe downshifting, trail braking, turn-in, apex, exit-point, how to go off properly, etc, you don't need to be driving a NSX to do so.
Once he is comfortable about being able to drive a "car" at speed and knows the basic fundamentals of vehicle dynamics he can apply those if he choses to do so with his NSX.
Peter Mills said:
I have over 136 track day without a ding.
And the fact that you have 136 track events without a ding, means that you are very good driver, that you have been running with organizations that have good drivers, never had any kind of mechanical failures on the track, never had anyone else tag you or collect you at the track, never pushed your car more than what you felt comfortable, never had anyone else blow an engine in front of you, lay down coolant, etc, etc. But that might not hold true for everyone else.
Peter Mills said:
I learned HPDE on Watkins Glen and Infineon was a piece of cake.
Good for you, again that's you, it might not apply to everyone else. It's nothing more than the fact that you have *more* track time and are familiar with the NSX as well as different track configurations, when compared to someone else.
Peter Mills said:
I had three student at Infineon not one drove over their heads, nor came close to wrecking their NSXs or running off the track. It's the responsiblility of the instructor to keep all parties safe.
So are you implying that the accidents that the incidents that happened at NSXPO03 and NSXPO04 were the responsibility of the instructors?
I don't believe that is either fair nor a prudent comment to make, ultimately it's the driver who is making the judgements while driving his or her car the instructor can only do so much. If you are willing to be held liable for errors made by your students then more power to you.
Peter Mills said:
Didn't two people die at one of those tracks during "touring laps"? There are no safe tracks, just safe drivers.
Yep, they died because the driver had no clue on what he was doing on the track when he was going over Lost Hills during a parade lap and he was driving a car without rollover protection, and he was not a HPDE participant who had proper instruction either.
I personally run with multiple clubs all over CA/NV/OR/WA/AZ and most of them do have good programs for HPDE's and there are plenty of good racing schools too unlike other parts of the US that might not be that much into motorsports or might lack the facilities, schools, etc.
*If* and *when* DaHappa choses to learn high performance driving there will be plenty of choices available for him to do so without having to force him to do something that he clearly is not comfortable doing at this time.
Anyways, I'm done writing about this topic. Clearly it seems that some people are not getting what I was trying to point across in the first place.
It's good to be a fan of the sport, but when people keep pushing and pushing others to do something that they are not comfortable, then you are clearly crossing the line. (I guess that line lies in different places for different people, and that's fine too.)
Ken