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NEED CLUTCH ADVISE/OPINIONS PLEASE???

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MY NSX CURRENTLY HAS 43,000 MILES ON IT IT IS NOT EVEN SHOWING ANY SIGNS OF NEED FOR REPLACEMENT YET BUT ID LIKE TO DO SOME PRELIMINMARY RESEARCH ON ITS REPLACEMENT UPON ITS FAILURE which i'd assume theres gonna be failure within a year who knows(sorry about the caps.)the different brands available,longevity,approx cost comparison,and perhaps any performance mods that are adventagious while in the area of the clutch.VERY MUCH APPRECIATE EVERYONES INPUT!!!THANKS!! MYNSX

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(sorry about the caps.)

Thanks!

the different brands available,longevity,approx cost comparison,and perhaps any performance mods that are adventagious while in the area of the clutch.

You should start your research in the FAQ, which is at http://www.nsxprime.com/toc.htm

It has a lot of information about how long the stock clutch lasts, and how to tell when it needs replacement, in the section called "Clutch" under the "Troubleshooting" heading. It has information about aftermarket clutches in the section called "Clutch" under the "Performance" heading.

A stock clutch should cost roughly $2000 to $2200 to replace, including parts and labor. According to many reports, the stock clutch will probably last longer than many of the aftermarket clutches.
 
I appreciate the advise on what the clutch slip feels like although Im just not familiar with the nsx in particular .each one of my cars is very different for instance i use ram or centerforce clutches on my mustang drag car and 99 street drag clutch.i am specifically looking for the makers names,and those who do not endorse their products opinions .....ya know..thanks again!!

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I do not know if the stocks will last longer and I'd like to see the reports are that NSXTACY has refered to, from my research and since I am installing a clucth right now, I think the best way to go( for Me) is an aftermarket , IMO you get more for your money than a regular stock clutch, I am getting an more aggessive clutch that is not as gummy as the stock clutches..but again thats only my opinion and I made my decision based on my needs. I am paying abut 1300 at NSX modified

[This message has been edited by NSXIFIED (edited 24 November 2001).]
 
Originally posted by MYNSX:
...the different brands available,longevity,approx cost comparison,and perhaps any performance mods that are adventagious while in the area of the clutch...


I JUST had to replace the clutch in mine. Here is what I was quoted be Niello Acura in Sacramento:

1,400 to R&R a stock clutch
2,000 + ~800 Labor for the CT Stage 1
2,250 + ~800 Labor for the CT Stage 2

I went with the CT stage 2 clutch (in anticipation of a BBSC
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) in addition the CT comes with a lighter flywheel. If you were going to stay NA then the Stage 1 would probably be perfect. BTW my clutch has now been installed for 3 weeks and has 700 miles on it.
 
From my research (I just replaced my clutch), I heard that the CT clutch wears out quickly versus the stock or dali clutch. I personnally went with the Dali setup and love it!! My second choice would have been the six-speed single disc clutch (however, you have to buy the flywheel whick costs $2K new) but once you have the clutch, you can just buy the pressure plate and disc for around $400-$500 and a flywheel could be turned about three times before replacement. The only thing is that the flywheel is stock weight not light like the dual-disc aftermarket or CT clutch. My recommendation is the Dali then the six-speed clutch. Mark Basch did mine and it was under $2K installed!!

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Kenji Ligon
91 Red CTSC NSX

[This message has been edited by Attitude Adjuster (edited 26 November 2001).]
 
From my research (I just replaced my clutch), I heard that the CT clutch wears out quickly versus the stock or dali clutch
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i'm in the market for a replacement clutch and would be interested in knowing where you "heard" and how you validated this info.

thx in advance.
hal
 
Originally posted by queenlives:
i'm in the market for a replacement clutch and would be interested in knowing where you "heard" and how you validated this info.


I'd be real curious about this also since I have heard nothing but good things about the ctech clutch.
 
What does (CT) stand for.

CT stands for high prices and poor service.

Just kidding. (Sort of, anyway.) CT stands for Comptech.
 
CT stands for high prices and poor service.
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hmmm... i have a ct blower on my '00, installed by mark basch. when in bought the blower and had mark do the install, i did it because i wanted the power increase and the reliability that mark and others spoke so highly of the ct unit providing. because it delivered as advertised, i've never regretted my decision to buy the ct unit and have mark install it. both top quality, imho. re price at that time: like most vendors, i'm guessing ct charged what the market would bear - just like all companies do; my guess is ct will react to the market as conditions dictate and as the newer products become better known and certified, etc, nsx owners may find ct willing to negotiate prices more so than in the past.

as for service... while i have never had service performed on my car by comptech, when i *have* pinged (email) them for information on the blower (after i'd already purchased via mark) and/or anything else, they responded immediately. so, pre/post service approach has been good, in my book.

i've also read numerous posts/discussions from multiple nsx owners with ct products (spanning multiple years) and i don't recall any serious negative press thus far. (not all vendors here can say the same, now, can they?)

my take is there's a love-fest going on re new product offerings - new product offerings are *always* a good thing, aren't they - but it's not a bad thing to remember the vendors who have supported the nsx over the years as long as they, too, continue to provide quality products and service, IMHO.

your mileage may vary :>)
 
...the Comptech Clutch has a significant increase in clutch effort.
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hey edo, can you define significant (over stock) for me, please? do you know if any specific measurements re pressure required have been done?

the stock nsx clutch is pretty light (not complaining), so more pressure required may not be too bad, but EEEOOOOWWWWWW kinda pressure is not what i'm looking for, either.

lastly, do you know of any specific tests re the various clutches... pressure to apply, pressure applied to plates/power transmitted, etc?

i'm getting to the short strokes on selecting a clutch and am trying to fine tune my decision.

best,
hal
 
CT stands for high prices and poor service.

In general, Comptech products are as good as anyone's. They also tend to be more expensive than many other vendors, but they have the biggest name in this niche business and so that's to be expected.

Regarding service, my experience with Comptech has been totally and entirely negative. I bought a pair of front NSX rotors from them. After two track events (which is HIGHLY premature), they cracked. Upon closer inspection, it turns out the rotors were visibly (and very clearly) defective in manufacture. They suffered from "core shift"; several of the vents (veins), instead of being centered between the two faces of the rotors, were cast closer to one face than the other, so the face of the rotor along those vents was only about half as thick as it should have been, and of course that's where they cracked.

When I called Comptech about it, they told me to ship them back and they would refund my money. I paid $25 to ship them back. Comptech then decided to renege on their commitment and to deny the refund because the rotors had been used on the track (even though I had told them that in my initial phone call). They told me that they would have given me a refund only if I hadn't used the rotors - like any customer would know what "core shift" is or would know that he's required to examine rotors for it before mounting them. Yeah, right.

So not only was I out the cost of the rotors for their premature failure, but the cost of shipping them back as well, based on their false promises to provide a refund. It wasn't a huge amount of money, but I can only assume that their disregard of this customer and their failure to stand behind any defective products they sell is typical of their level of customer service. This is why I will never buy anything from Comptech again.
 
I believe the Stock effort is something like 17lbs or something.
Dali is like 22lbs and CT is like 30 or 35 if I remember right. I know its somewhere in the FAQ. FAQ Nazi..where are you?
 
nsxtasy: your position makes sense to me.
nazi: thanks for the pointer... temporary brain cramp on my part :>)

hal
 
There have been a few different CT clutches over the years. I have a fairly current one in my car and pedal effort is a little higher than stock but not much. Certainly not enough that I consider it a real burden in traffic.
 
Originally posted by Lud:
There have been a few different CT clutches over the years. I have a fairly current one in my car and pedal effort is a little higher than stock but not much. Certainly not enough that I consider it a real burden in traffic.

Lud et. al:

Yesterday at our club meeting hosted by Don Joe of Fabrication Specialists, Comptech was present and I brought this issue up as it was a topi of the de jour ..... Lud is correct, according to Shad, the newer clutches are not that much more stiff (perhaps no more than 5 ftlbs pressure from stock), they still weight 50% less than the 97+ oem, and they are no longer aluminum since many other aftermarket products are using cheap aluminum and cutting prices, corners, quality .....

Perhaps the FAQ needs updating .....

Cheers

Hrant
 
lud,

(posting here due to current topic but understand you may want to shift to another forum) do you have any sort of "annual tuneup" process with the nsx oem vendors to update their product information to the nsxprime community... something along the lines of a brief product survey, summary, etc? were i not the inquisitive type, i might have been steered away from buying their product based on some of the outdated info/opinions i'd seen posted here. i bet they'd be willing to pony up some support money to get their latest and greatest bullet points in front of their target audience... perhaps they'll sign up for more sponsor/ad revenues :>)

best,
hal
 
the newer clutches are not that much more stiff (perhaps no more than 5 ftlbs pressure from stock)

Perhaps the FAQ needs updating .....


But that's what the FAQ already says.

do you have any sort of "annual tuneup" process with the nsx oem vendors to update their product information to the nsxprime community...

The question really is this: Who is going to do the work to keep an eye on the information out there, to notice any errors and update the information?

Fact is, Lud is really good at applying updates whenever anyone notices the need to do so. I've let him know when I see any information that is out of date, and he gets the information updated. I'm sure that vendors are equally welcome to forward any updates to Lud and he'll take care of them.
 
There is no formal process. I'm in them middle of re-doing the supercharger / turbocharger and clutch sections right now anyway since so many new products are coming out. I try to update things when I notice there is important new info available but of course I don't get everything right away.

As Ken said, I'm not sure what needs to be updated re: the comptech clutch since the FAQ already says pressure is about 5lbs more than OEM....

perhaps they'll sign up for more sponsor/ad revenues

Just to clarify one point... Total sponsor/ad revenue to date: $0.00

[This message has been edited by Lud (edited 28 November 2001).]
 
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