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What is APPLE planning?
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The 5s was not a modest spec bump. Significantly faster CPU and graphics performance. Gamers and those of us who use iOS devices for CAD viewing will appreciate this. They were wise to make the transition to 64 bit now. This will be seamless for customers and easy for developers to make the upgrade. No fragmentation. It has little to do with marketing.
Why wouldn't you want your access to be easy and done by fingerprints? It's always stored locally and never on a server. If it's robust and secure, sure.
I don't think everyone wants a bigger screen at all. Many people like the compact size of the current iPhone and the ability to easily operate and type one-handed. Should they offer a phone with a larger screen size? Sure, why not. But I don't think it's slam dunk that all phones will have 5"-6" screens.
Why wouldn't you want your access to be easy and done by fingerprints? It's always stored locally and never on a server. If it's robust and secure, sure.
I don't think everyone wants a bigger screen at all. Many people like the compact size of the current iPhone and the ability to easily operate and type one-handed. Should they offer a phone with a larger screen size? Sure, why not. But I don't think it's slam dunk that all phones will have 5"-6" screens.
Don't swallow Apple's marketing lines that 64-bit chips magically run software faster than 32-bit relics. What the A7 in the iPhone 5S does do, though, is pave the way for Apple's long-term future.
No wireless AC, that was easily the biggest issue for me. It is the future of wireless, no doubt about it and no reason not to support it.
I rarely see wireless N, so I can see why they haven't gone with AC yet, at least with the iPhone. I believe the newer Macs already have AC.
Almost every wireless device I can think of has wireless N built in. The only device I can think of that doesent is the PS3, which is 2005 tech (Xbox redesign included it). Even the first iPad from 2010 had wireless N. Rokus, tablets, phones - they're all N spec.
On a phone, or any other mobile device without an Ethernet port, transferring data at 3-5x current actual speeds (not the bs hypothetical claimed speeds you'll never see) will be awesome. The HTC one has had AC since February, and the S4, the iPhone's main comp, has had it since April. On an annual refresh cycle that puts it out until September 2014 at the earliest. Being 16 months behind your competition with such useful tech is a major oversight.
I can at least see the argument for excluding useful tech like NFC, as it really hasent taken off in the US as compared to Europe, but AC is here now, is backwards compatible, and apple has already deployed it into 2013 airs and time capsules. Its an omission as glaring as no LTE on the iPhone 4s.
On a phone, or any other mobile device without an Ethernet port, transferring data at 3-5x current actual speeds (not the bs hypothetical claimed speeds you'll never see) will be awesome. The HTC one has had AC since February, and the S4, the iPhone's main comp, has had it since April. On an annual refresh cycle that puts it out until September 2014 at the earliest. Being 16 months behind your competition with such useful tech is a major oversight.
I can at least see the argument for excluding useful tech like NFC, as it really hasent taken off in the US as compared to Europe, but AC is here now, is backwards compatible, and apple has already deployed it into 2013 airs and time capsules. Its an omission as glaring as no LTE on the iPhone 4s.
I know there are devices with wireless N. What I mean is I rarely see wireless N hotspots, much less AC. Go to any Starbucks, McD's, airport, hotel, etc.. it's all wireless G.
As with 4G, Apple is probably waiting for a small low-power chipset. Those who are spec-sheet shoppers will likely always be disappointed in Apple products.
Just read a poll on Engadget. About 25% said they will get a 5s and only 2.2% said they would get the 5c. We might be seeing apples first flop cell phone. (5c).
I watched the video of infinity blade 3. It really does look amazing. Looking forward to seeing the iPad 5.
Anyone want to buy an iPad 3
I watched the video of infinity blade 3. It really does look amazing. Looking forward to seeing the iPad 5.
Anyone want to buy an iPad 3
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I would guess Engadget readers would be naturally biased towards the 5s. A web site with "gadget" in the name tends to attract geeks that are interested in the newest and bestest. I suspect many 5c customers will be found wandering into Apple Stores, young people and overseas (i.e. China). It's always much easier to drop the price of a product than vice versa.
I question whether anyone would spend $100 less to get a 5c vs getting the latest and greatest. What is $99 for something they will keep 2 years. I could be wrong.
Of.course with people this stupid they could sell millions.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oprUI6nupfc
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To me, the nice thing about the new processor is double the number of integer and floating point registers. The more registers the CPU has, the less often it goes back to cache or memory to get data, and that probably contributes to the performance improvements. It's not about addressing RAM, although address space also includes memory-mapped files, and I can imagine that getting big for some apps.
I'm pretty sure the phone stores a hash of your fingerprint, not the actual print. That means it can recognize your fingerprint, but there's no data there to reconstruct your print if someone were to forensically analyze your phone--encryption aside.
Finally, Engadget poll? Seriously, that's the worst possible sample pool to predict the real world. I would give it no credibility on what the sales will be like, other than to show what Engadget readers buy.
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Fine. The Engadget poll isn't exactly reality, but any tech site is likely going to have similar results.
I'm curious to see how infinity blade runs on iPhone 5 vs 5s.
I'm curious to see how infinity blade runs on iPhone 5 vs 5s.
I wonder if Apple ever considered that smartphones are covered with peoples fingerprints?
You have the key to unlock the device all over the metal and glass screen.
Anyone watch mythbusters?
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It's too early for me to think, double the registers is still pointless with only 2GB of ram isn't it?
I hope so. I'm not sure how close everyone else follows the NSA stuff, but I tent to fear the worst now days.
When I heard Apple, Microsoft, etc are handing over SSL encryption keys, I tend to lose faith in these companies doing the right thing.
If they have the means to do evil, I tend to assume they are. Sad, I know.
You have the key to unlock the device all over the metal and glass screen.
Anyone watch mythbusters?
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It's too early for me to think, double the registers is still pointless with only 2GB of ram isn't it?
I hope so. I'm not sure how close everyone else follows the NSA stuff, but I tent to fear the worst now days.
When I heard Apple, Microsoft, etc are handing over SSL encryption keys, I tend to lose faith in these companies doing the right thing.
If they have the means to do evil, I tend to assume they are. Sad, I know.
Yeah, I imagine people all over are going to fall over themselves to be the first to defeat the fingerprint sensor. I'm sure the engineers know this too. It will be interesting to see how hard it is.
No, it lets the compiler keep the processor busy more of the time. If you are doing some calculations and you have some intermediate answers you will use later, the fastest thing to do is keep it in a register (where the cpu put it) and then when you need it again, it's already where it needs to be. If you don't have enough registers, then the compiler will decide to write that intermediate answer back to memory, and it will get moved to cache, then ram. Then when you need it again, the cpu will ask for it and wait until it is fetched from cache or ram, put back in the register, and then it can be used. The amount of ram doesn't really matter.
I agree. The most recent disclosures from the Snowden documents are gut-wrenchingly disappointing. Having moles in companies to implement back doors in our encryption, subtly influencing NIST cryptographic standards so that they are easier to brute-force hack--it's going to be very harmful to our economy in the form of lost business as the rest of the world looks elsewhere for technologies. Not to mention that bad guys can also get those back doors. We are no longer trustworthy stewards of the internet.
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I wasn't even aware that game was coming out. It's on my calendar now!
It's not always a $100. Already we are starting to see $0.00 for the 5c with a two year contract. A lot of people these days just don't have the spare $100.
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/09/12/t-mobile-offering-iphone-5c-for-0-down-iphone-5s-for-99-down/
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This is exactly the type of thinking I don't understand. I don't see how this was any worse than the 4s announcement. The 4s really brought nothing new to the table except guts and camera. At the very least, we are seeing a new hardware feature that is going to completely change the way you unlock your phone. Sure it may not be exciting news, but can you imagine never having to type another password? It's really going to improve your user experience. We are also getting iOS 7, which is going to bring a lot of new UI features (quick toggles, swipe back/forth for navigation in Safari and in menus, etc.).
Even when the iphone 5 was announced, people were not enthused, despite it being the first time the iphone had a larger screen and brought LTE to the table.
That's all fine, but why was the iphone 4 and 4s such a great improvement/announcement?
BTW, my questions aren't directed at you, but wall street in general.
If you guys are interested in reading some great commentary on Apple's various doings I suggest taking a look at John Gruber's www.daringfireball.net, its far more informed and thoughtful than the usual stuff out there. I agree KSXNSX, but most reporters haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about. If their commentary were representative of what the market as a whole thought then Apple wouldn't be one of the most successful companies around. Too many people focus on benchmarks and specs as opposed to experience - something NSX owners should be quite familiar with. Quantitative metrics are just far easier to compare than quality of experience and all of that.
I'm not blown away by the 5s announcement but it's definitely a welcome upgrade from my 4s on a 2 year upgrade cycle. I believe this is more of the norm that they're designing for so in that sense we get an exponential cpu/gpu speed boost, 4" screen, new handset style, slimmer dimensions/weight and that new screen tech + the 5s advancements. It's hard to imagine what people reasonably would expect the new phone to deliver that it didn't. I wouldn't mind them growing the phone back out to the 4s thickness and giving it better battery life and room for a far more competent camera (they may have one of the best but its no Lumia 1020), potting the PCB to make it water proof, and a storage capacity bump though... We've moved past the days of the iphone 1 where phone's were just so behind the times that it was easy to make an impressive leap. Seems like mobile pacing is going to be more akin to laptop/desktop computer advancements now.
just my two cents
I'm not blown away by the 5s announcement but it's definitely a welcome upgrade from my 4s on a 2 year upgrade cycle. I believe this is more of the norm that they're designing for so in that sense we get an exponential cpu/gpu speed boost, 4" screen, new handset style, slimmer dimensions/weight and that new screen tech + the 5s advancements. It's hard to imagine what people reasonably would expect the new phone to deliver that it didn't. I wouldn't mind them growing the phone back out to the 4s thickness and giving it better battery life and room for a far more competent camera (they may have one of the best but its no Lumia 1020), potting the PCB to make it water proof, and a storage capacity bump though... We've moved past the days of the iphone 1 where phone's were just so behind the times that it was easy to make an impressive leap. Seems like mobile pacing is going to be more akin to laptop/desktop computer advancements now.
just my two cents
That doesn't change my point since they are offering the 5s for $99
Yeah, but at least with the 5c buyers who don't have a lot of money to spend can get a new phone instead of a last year's model at discounted prices. The 5c should do well at the Radio Shacks and Walmarts of the world.
It is pretty rare to see anyone discount a new iPhone. Is this just a t-mobile thing?
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I think if they had released the 5s with the same specs but a 4.3 -4.7 inch screen people would be thrilled.
I don't understand this minor update they do every second year. They need to be faster to keep up with android IMO.
I would personally consider getting an iPhone with a larger screen.
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That doesn't change my point since they are offering the 5s for $99
DOCOMO is already offering the iPhone 5S for free in Japan, along with the two other major carriers. That's the kind of price wars we need in the US.
As for the screen size, if they started doing what Android is doing, where/when does it stop?? Keep increasing the size every year? We're already at phablets right now with the Note 3 and other large screen phones. When does it stop?
You could say the same thing about horsepower.
I think the consumers will dictate where it stops. When a phone is too big to use then it stops. I think 5" is tops. Maybe even too big.
