What is the deal with a Type-R than? Are they super hard to find as well? Does anyone here own one of them?
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What's up with the Zanardi's?
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Wasn't there a couple of '02+ coupes in U.S. circulation? I remember reading a thread about one for sale a year or two ago.
My 2 centavos........
As far as collectors go
#1 NSX-R
#2 Zanardi.
But if you want something to really drive over a collector/investment car
the premium does not really make any sense.
If it had an engine option, I would agree.
If only they would have offered an engine up-grade.
Then I could see it.
As far as collectors go
#1 NSX-R
#2 Zanardi.
But if you want something to really drive over a collector/investment car
the premium does not really make any sense.
If it had an engine option, I would agree.
If only they would have offered an engine up-grade.
Then I could see it.
That car was never produced, all 02-05's were Targa's:wink:
Video game reference was just for fun :smile: common....
#1 collector status..... NO
1991 will be worth more since its first year of production original design.
Than Last year Production. 2005.
Zanardi was not a amazing work of art.
Its a back to basics light weight no power steering same as 1991 with the newer 3.2L and 6-speed. Work of art? There are no exterior clues that is a Zanardi besides the wheels and badge, no Flares, nor Skirt package, nothing.Were not talking about a 100hp more night and day special edition here.
It was a special edition not a like a turbo 911 vs NA 911, or TT supra vs NA supra.
Were not talking Ferrari Challenge 360 150k upgrade price nor lotus Esprit 190R or anything even close to that significance.
Its like an OZ edition Lancer not a AMG Mercedes. Dude your in for a surprise if looking to collect a car.
1991's with the 30k miles will be selling for double your Zanardi 20 years from now.
Might want to consult someone with experience before you make a substantial investment decision to collect a insignificant special edition. I'm not saying it wont appreciate like all NSX's but it wont be were the money is. Not by a long shot.
The NSX is not famous for its performance, its famous for its break through engineering noted in 1991 thats the magic number.
Ask basic 3 questions on the NSX to any common individual to get your answer about collectability.
Who - Honda
What - Engineering Breakthrough / Japanese Super car
When - 1991
by 1999 the Zanardi was not exactly making Headlines. The 91 is where all the press was.
As far as minor changes and differences about the Zanardi to NA2, I can make a list 3 times as long about the differences between 94 & 95. all those things are insignificant besides the 6% increase in power
3.2 & the 2% faster 6-speed . light Wheels are not gonna fetch you astronomical numbers either. it was a barely special - special edition thats all it was. Work of art? your delirious. Buy a 15k mile 91 it will be worth a million bucks some day.Yes in collect ability the Zanardi may be worth more than 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 98, 99, 00.
Thats it.
An 02-05 will always be worth more than a Zanardi. Made lots of Headlines
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Please Hammer (Kid), Don't hurt em'. Lol.
Pat, as far as the 30k '91 selling for double a Zanardi... well I hope so because I have a '91.... but dude... come on.
As far as the OZ edition, yeah I kind of agree. It's all asthetic... But at least it's Zanardi. I mean Zanardi was a baller. What the F*ck is OZ but a wheel manufacturer?
Honestly... as far as Alex Zanardi goes.... the guy is so amazing... I'd be kind of honored to have a Zanardi edition car. I mean if I had the money to just own something because it had a guys name on it, I don't think you could have a special edition go to a more amazing guy. I think most guys on here would appreciate the guy being a gentleman, his class and sense of no self-pity.
I don't know how much he's in the country anymore... but god if I had one, I'd love for him to sign something.
I'm gonna go ahead and say it for TheKid. "What? Are you smokin'? FAHGETABOUTIT!!!" :wink:
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Please Hammer (Kid), Don't hurt em'. Lol.
Pat, as far as the 30k '91 selling for double a Zanardi... well I hope so because I have a '91.... but dude... come on.
As far as the OZ edition, yeah I kind of agree. It's all asthetic... But at least it's Zanardi. I mean Zanardi was a baller. What the F*ck is OZ but a wheel manufacturer?
I was not trying to be a di*k and hammer the zanardi, nor offend The kid, like I said its a nice upgrade to a NA2. Worth a couple extra bucks for the Suspension, Coupe, Wheels. OK lets say 5k-6k more. But were still not talking about anything super special here. Zanardi might have been a nice guy and won 2 CART championships but thats as far as it goes, but he far from a memorable F1 name like Senna, Fittapaldi, Schumacher, Lauda, Lamy, Andretti.. and so on. The First year models are always the most Valuable in any car you can think of, yes 1991's in mint condition sub 30k originals will be worth the money, Even G2's will be worth more than Zanardi just because of there major Changes and Desirability.
Can any one deny that only the 91-94 could be considered the Senna Edition, since anything after that was not part of Senna's design?
Again I cant be considered biased since my car is a modified 92 with pearl Type-R Paint and an 02 front.
Ok ok... I see what you're saying... but you are REALLY reading into things. Senna's true design, the legitimacy of how good Alex Zanardi was....
The bottom line is there were only 2 "special editions". The NSX-R. And the Zanardi. That's it. Regardless of more power, different suspension, different color... or whatever. There were only those two special editions. Whether or not we all think they were special enough... Now that's a debate to have.
The bottom line is there were only 2 "special editions". The NSX-R. And the Zanardi. That's it. Regardless of more power, different suspension, different color... or whatever. There were only those two special editions. Whether or not we all think they were special enough... Now that's a debate to have.
God those wheels are nasty.
Here are a few more..........Comptech headers, exhaust, intake + supercharger
Yes sir, to try and predict collect ability in anything you have to acknowledge significance in the history, media ties, influences in design, and so on. Most people that Dream of NSX's dont Dream of a Zanardi.
I mean it not even comparable to the diffrence between a M3 vs 328is is two entirely different ball games, 70hp, bumpers, Vader Seats, 100% stiffer Suspension.
a 1999 has nothing to do with the Fame of the NSX. The Zanardi edition was nothing more than a signature and a back to basics design copy of a 91 with the newer engine & suspension. It did not revamp anything or have any special engineering behind it. Zanardi did not design the TYPE-S suspension in the Zanardi nor have any involvement in its design. it has a different color painted console and window trims, the same mats you can buy for $95 and a shift knob worth $35. seriously common guys....
Thus why I say the Zanardi is no where near a significant element to the NSX as a collection. Zanardi did not add fame nor value to the NSX lina as whole like a 911 Turbo which creates value in a NA 911.
The Type -R yes, added value to NSX's as a whole. Type-S & Zanardi is just another edition just like 91-94 is an edition, 95-96, 97-01, 02-05. Again in collect ability you can not compare a 91 mint 15k mi to a Zanardi 15k mi mint condition.
The last version of anything (worthy of collecting anyway) is generally the most desirable.......the Zanardi's are rare but the '05's were the last of the best......as a side note, the Zanardi NSX was really an "Americanized" type S & were common in Japan.
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I can see the Type R being worth a premium over the other variants in 25 years time. Moreso the 02 onwards cars, but I think all the other cars will be judged on condition.
The main difference is whether the cars are auto or manual.
I guess some will value the coupe more highly, but I guess that's likely to be market specific.
For instance; despite what some people say on the UK forum, coupes and targas seem equally popular. Transmission, Condition and colour are the factors.
If you can't get a specific model easily then people seem to crave it more and give it more importance.
If the Type R was a readily available model, many people wouldn't choose it because it's perhaps too compromised for normal driving.
Consider the S2000 CR; many people on S2Ki hate this variant for a variety of reasons, but perhaps it will be a future classic??
All these factors are pivotal on the proviso that we haven't exhausted our fuel reserves. If we have, we'll be pushing our cars to the meets, but at least we won't pick up any stone chips.
Cheers,
James.
The main difference is whether the cars are auto or manual.
I guess some will value the coupe more highly, but I guess that's likely to be market specific.
For instance; despite what some people say on the UK forum, coupes and targas seem equally popular. Transmission, Condition and colour are the factors.
If you can't get a specific model easily then people seem to crave it more and give it more importance.
If the Type R was a readily available model, many people wouldn't choose it because it's perhaps too compromised for normal driving.
Consider the S2000 CR; many people on S2Ki hate this variant for a variety of reasons, but perhaps it will be a future classic??
All these factors are pivotal on the proviso that we haven't exhausted our fuel reserves. If we have, we'll be pushing our cars to the meets, but at least we won't pick up any stone chips.
Cheers,
James.
Lay off the crack pipe, my friend.
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Very true,
I guess people buy for many different reasons.
Cheers,
James.
I guess people buy for many different reasons.
Cheers,
James.
Saying the Zanardi is a 91 coupe with newer drivetrain and suspension is not quite right. The 97+ coupe chassis is NOT the same as a 91-94 coupe chassis. Specifically, the NA2 coupe has some (but not all) of the internal reinforcement and rigidity upgrades developed for the targa models, such as thicker internal webbing in the side girders. It also incorporates the same improved aluminum alloys for stronger but lighter body panels as the 97+ targas. It is an improved platform over the early coupes.
I personally don't look at these improvements from a collectibility standpoint, but from my own personal priorities. I was willing to pay a premium to get the fundamentally most desirable (for me) version NSX, but if I were a collector, I imagine I would look at things the same way.
She's gorgeous bro. Congrats. And I don't know what people are saying. Those wheels are hot.
I don't know Mike, you're going to have to build another "Garage Mahal", hope you knew where to get a good PPI!!!
I PPI'd myself:biggrin: I just got home, car is actually in your neck of the woods. Roseyln, NY:biggrin:
if you think first production is not the most valuable followed by last year production you haven't the slightest clue about collecting cars.... your so far off understanding old car economics it recommended you stay clear of anything old.
In all honestly congratulations,
I was not telling you not to buy it, was just suggesting not to overpay for it, my only argument only stands based on future value and significance, not the Fact that is is one of the nicer versions available, I admitted that many times. Its a beautiful car, and hope your right and not me. I will drop the argument since I won't bash something after a decision is made. :smile: (It still will not be worth more than a mint, sub 30k miles 91 or 05 though :biggrin
I'm sure you are more than qualified to PPI considering the amount of NSX's you have seen & driven has to be in the triple digits. (I'm not being sarcastic)
your Last NSXSTOCK was great! I even won a uni-filter! whens the next one? I gotta see that bad boy so you can prove me wrong with a Zanardi joyride?
I got alot of things going on right now. It's a very, very long story. I posted the first part of the story, the next part is how I made this happen or should I say "making this happen." The Zanardi and an 02 Porsche Twin Turbo 6 speed with 43k are both being traded in on a 08 911 Turbo Cab. I went out yesterday with the expectation that I was driving home in the Zanardi. The only glitch is the Turbo has a build date of late March with a delivery date of early May. The tax credit is sizable so at first both cars were going to be pre-traded but long story short. I still need wait a little while longer, no big deal. Just gives me some more time to save a little extra moolah. :biggrin:
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Congrats on the Z...
Question though, I thought Larry Ellison's 96 Silver/Onyx NSX-T was the rarest one off. But then I remember seeing an ebay auction for a 02-05 Coupe IIRC... I'd love to know more about that car!
Question though, I thought Larry Ellison's 96 Silver/Onyx NSX-T was the rarest one off. But then I remember seeing an ebay auction for a 02-05 Coupe IIRC... I'd love to know more about that car!
There was more than 1, 96 Silver/Onyx NSX-T's. Possibly as many as 6:wink: There was never a factory produced 02+ coupe.
