Nice find. I would agree with the results as the order I would buy them in.
Owned an ap1 for 3yrs.* I should say "lived" with it for 3yrs.* It's a potent, high energy car but it was high strung. *I've driven the ap2 and its more liveable.The BRZ swings the scale more towards comfort and liveability. *Its bigger, quieter, less twitchy, better mpg, seats 4 in a pinch, and available with a pretty darn awesome 6AT. *It's all about your priorities. *I sit in LA traffic 10x a week. *You tell me which one is better for my situation I hope to pick up another s2k someday.Btw... I feel the BRZ is way more fun (no oh shit factor) but its slower too.Those of you who have driven an S2000 would you prefer the S2k or the BRZ/86?
I'm curious if Subaru will bump up the HP soon? Like in 2014?
IMO, I bet they would sell 2-3 times as many cars if it didn't have the horsepower flaw.
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Vortech has a nice OEM looking SC kit that adds 94hp They've already applied for CARB exemption on the base level kit, so I'm crossing my fingers that gets CARB approved in the future.
Those of you who have driven an S2000 would you prefer the S2k or the BRZ/86?
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Is A New Scion FR-S Better Than An Old Mazda RX-8 Or Honda S2000?
It's kind of tragic that the Mazda RX-8 and , two of the very best Japanese performance cars of the last decade, are no longer in production and never produced any heirs to their legacy. So how would the Scion FR-S measure up if it went toe-to-toe with with Honda's roadster and Mazda's last rotary?
The boys at Everyday Driver sought to figure that out with this recent review, which I enjoyed immensely. I think you will too.
No one can argue that the FR-S has excellent driving dynamics. If you've driven one and it hasn't won you over, you may have been doing it wrong. But it's also considerably down on power compared to the S2000 and the RX-8.
I won't spoil who wins the test, but I can't say I was all that surprised. It's the one I'd take given the choice, too.
The guys do bring up a good point, though. Over their lifespans the S2000 and RX-8 were tweaked considerably in various different ways, including power, handling and refinement. We've only seen "version 1.0" of the FR-S and BRZ. Who knows what it will become in a couple years? I have a feeling more power might come sooner than we expect.
Which of these three do you like best?
But the big difference – and I know this only because someone in a position to help ferreted the information out of an internal Subaru document – is that the BRZ’s suspension is 20 per cent stiffer at the front and eight per cent softer at the rear. And this alone makes the cars very different to drive. |
Having driven both models back to back on road and Silverstone GP circuit, I can report the Subaru is a far better balanced car than the Toyota, replacing the latter’s insistent oversteer when the electronics are disabled with a much more neutral stance. It still doesn’t understeer much but it’s an easier car to guide to the apex and quicker away thanks to superior traction. On the road its ride seems a little firmer but no more harsh. |
This can be seen two ways. The BRZ is less extrovert and, yes, less fun too. You could argue the GT86 is better because when you don’t want to do skids you can just leave the traction control engaged and when you do you can hit the button and drift for Europe. But I still slightly preferred the BRZ’s less frenetic character. Put it this way, as an only car I’d take the Subaru over the Toyota. But for pure recreation, the GT86 is preferable. |
Congrats! I'm thinking of dropping by SCA tonight with the BRZ if in case you decide to drop by.
To be honest.. If I had a Cayman it would be difficult to look back. FWIW so far i'm having a blast with the BRZ. Hope you're enjoying the same with the Cayman.
Body Kits:
Too many from mild to wild
Pics here
I bought a white FR-S on Thursday and returned it Friday so that I can get the Series 10 version coming out in June/july.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showpost.php?p=824114&postcount=1
Although it only comes in silver, I'd rather have that car because it will have the hid/led headlights that the GT86 has along with keyless go and a push button start and automatic climate control..
why? share share sharejust picked up my 2nd FRS lol. these are great guys/gals, try one!!!! my black one is for sale haha...CarMax here we go!