HR Bill 45

[ACCD]

Thoughts???

So much for freedom.... etc.. etc.. How... does "job six-pack" fight back and ensure we keep the constitution intact? Ya know.. last Nov. I wasn’t too upset, but I’ve seen this country move so very quickly to a socialist mentality. It’s bad enough that everyone promotes the politics of envy and that the target is the EVIL…. Wealthy…. What’s the old saying…”I never was hired by a poor man”. Just wondering and getting feedback.

think they arn't moving to take away you right to bare arms? ? ? Here is a step in that direction


Very Important for you to be aware of a new Bill HR 45 introduced into the House.

Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.

To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

.It is registered

.You are fingerprinted

.You supply a current Driver's License

.You supply your Social Security #

.You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing

.Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

.There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family - pass this along.

This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.

This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 45 only makes me/us less safe. After working with convicts for 26 years I know this bill, if passed, would make them happy and in less danger from their victims.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45
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[CL65 Captain]

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

.It is registered

.You are fingerprinted

TSA already made me do this to be a an airline pilot.

.You supply a current Driver's License

State made me get one of these to drive.

.You supply your Social Security #

Ya, so? Had to give this up to get a mortgage, get a pilot's license, go to the hospital, etc, etc.

.You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing

Thank GOD!

.Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

BFD! It's just a tax.

.There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

Key words - "Up to...."

Good, maybe people will take responsibility for storing their weapon if they have kids! If my kid is at your house and they play with your gun because you keep it on the kitchen counter and kill my kid - you SHOULD go to jail for 5 years.

THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS! They are attempting to legislate away STUPID. You can't fix stupid and you can't legislate away stupid. I don't have a problem with anyone of those items above (depending on the details which I am too lazy to read). If I am a responsible person, with fingers, a driver's lic, SS card and don't let my kid take my gun to school for show and tell, then the only thing there I don't like is the $25 tax to sell my gun. I'll tell you what, get them to legalize weed and tax that in leu of the guns and we will both be happy.

 

[CL65 Captain]

Ya know... on second thought. Let's let everyone have guns.

 

[john@johnhudakracing]

THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS!

That's exactly what they are trying to do. If it were up to Obama, and the people with whom he chooses to surround himself with, no one would have a gun.

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Ya know... on second thought. Let's let everyone have guns.

Works for me. Guns don't scare me. Neither do knifes, or rock/paper/scissors. Quit watching the evening news and you'll sleep better.

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[CL65 Captain]

John, guns don't scare me. Idiots with guns scare me.

and Kittens with guns. :biggrin:

 

[john@johnhudakracing]

John, guns don't scare me. Idiots with guns scare me.

Well therein lies our difference. I don't differentiate. All idiots scare me.

ALL OF THEM

 

[CL65 Captain]

I'm not against guns.... I just bought a H&K (my first gun). Some people shouldn't be allow to have a gun. Including some cops!

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[john@johnhudakracing]

I'm not against guns.... I just bought a H&K (my first gun).

Really, that's great. I killed my first dear with a 10 gauge slug when I was 12.

Now, back on-topic. Doesn't change the fact that Obama is a radical socialist.

 

[yojack1]

Hey CL65 Captain, when the hell do you have time to fly? Or do surf from the cockpit? HA!













These are totally unimportant and non-threatening and stupid and dumb questions so there is no good reason to pull your new gun out!

Sheesh! :smile:

 

[CL65 Captain]

The topic at hand was the OP thinks HR Bill 45 is an attempt to "take away our guns." That is not the case. It's an attempt to legislate away stupid - which doesn't work.

 

[CL65 Captain]

Hey CL65 Captin, when the hell do you have time to fly? Or do surf from the cockpit? HA!

These are totally unimportant and non-threatening and stupid and dumb questions so there is no good reason to pull your new gun out!

Sheesh! :smile:

I can't disclose the info, but you would not believe the restrictions and rules that they (TSA) have put on FFDO (Federal Flight Deck Officers). It's absurd.

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[john@johnhudakracing]

The topic at hand was the OP thinks HR Bill 45 is an attempt to "take away our guns." That is not the case. It's an attempt to legislate away stupid.

Completely false.

It is an attempt to legislate away our individual liberties on the premise that it serves a greater, common good. A revocation in individual liberties, in the name of public safety. AND, unless you know something that every other think-tank PhD on the planet doesn't... AFAIK you can't legislate away stupidity.

Some people shouldn't be allow to have a gun.

.. and I think we all know who is going to be making that decision. Look. What you are suggesting is preemptive action, for something that is and always will be completely unpreventable.

I don't share in your fear. It's probably due to the fact that I don't TIVO the 6 O' Clock news and get my daily dose of all the latest mall/school/kindergarten shootings; because their are more entertaining dramas to watch on basic cable like TYRA.

In order to be maintainable- rights need be absolute. They need not be open to interpretation, or discussion.

I do not believe that any overly-reactionary, self-satisfying, preemptive legislation is necessary. Especially from some half-cocked politician that showed up to Congress with a dead body and a fatal gunshot wound and wants to sell America that he can make tomorrow a better place. Skepticism is the only proper response.

As to the detail- I completely fail to see how this proposal would solve any discernible real-world problem, interestingly, including the original incident in Chicago that apparently raised it in the first place (per below). It is my belief that all that is really left to discuss are the individual consequences; including the further erosion of privacy, and increased government intrusion into the lives of otherwise law abiding citizens.

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[davidf]

John, guns don't scare me. Idiots with guns scare me.

and Kittens with guns. :biggrin:

LOL at pic 3. $4000 in guns/ammo/guitars, but sleeps on a $60 bed, and points guns at his penis area.

 

[steveny]

They are attempting to legislate away STUPID. You can't fix stupid and you can't legislate away stupid.

No, but they can treat everyone like they are stupid which is what they usually do.

 

[steveny]

LOL at pic 3. $4000 in guns/ammo/guitars, but sleeps on a $60 bed, and points guns at his penis area.

those are rock band guitars.

 

[john@johnhudakracing]

No, but they can treat everyone like they are stupid which is what they usually do.

Perhaps one dooms-day scenario is people will all shoot each other, and the world will end due to gun violence. Except for me, to whom UPS shall be delivering a spiffy new kevlar vest next week.

You can see my REAL sinister motives on the over-population thread- it's whatever gets the job done to which I pledge my support. Last week it was legalizing drugs, this week it is supporting the gun lobby.

 

[myguitar]

I had a friend who drank a lot. He also took heavy doses of anti-depressants. When he'd mix pills and booze, he'd lose his mind, he'd forget who you are, forget where he is, and he would also come to the point where he could not even recognize his wife. Occasionally, he'd beat her up, which once landed him in trouble and got him a record.

He has lots of guns, he loves to carry them and wave them around.

Even though he has to take pills to function normally, and even though he no longer has a clear background, he still goes out and buys new guns every once in a while. Someone please give me a reasonable explanation why he should still have the right to go out and buy guns?

I believe in the right to own a gun, but it should be registered, a background should be checked prior to purchase and one should also be mentally evaluated, as-in your doctor should give the OK for you to own one. If you do something that lands on your background, your license should get taken away. Simple as that.

Not everyone can be responsible with a gun. I have one and I do deserve to own it because, for the time being, I'm still mentally coherent. :biggrin:

(As I wrote this, some nut shot his minister in Illinois!)

 

[yojack1]

I had a friend who drank a lot. He also took heavy doses of anti-depressants. When he'd mix pills and booze, he'd lose his mind, he'd forget who you are, forget where he is, and he would also come to the point where he could not even recognize his wife. Occasionally, he'd beat her up, which once landed him in trouble and got him a record.

He has lots of guns, he loves to carry them and wave them around.

Even though he has to take pills to function normally, and even though he no longer has a clear background, he still goes out and buys new guns every once in a while. Someone please give me a reasonable explanation why he should still have the right to go out and buy guns?

I believe in the right to own a gun, but it should be registered, a background should be checked prior to purchase and one should also be mentally evaluated, as-in your doctor should give the OK for you to own one. If you do something that lands on your background, your license should get taken away. Simple as that.

Not everyone can be responsible with a gun. I have one and I do deserve to own it because, for the time being, I'm still mentally coherent. :biggrin:

(As I wrote this, some nut shot his minister in Illinois!)

What doctor is going set himself up for litigation if he makes a mistake and if a licence is pulled from some wacko, it could make the loon a mite bit irritable.
Still trying to figure out why the legit citizen is continually burdened with invasive government while the hoods of the world do what they please with little resistance. (Oh I forgot, it's all about fees and fines)

 

[Ponyboy]

think they arn't moving to take away you right to bare arms? ? ?

Never! They'll never take away my right to bear arms. They'll have to chop them off my cold lifeless body.

 

[myguitar]

What doctor is going set himself up for litigation if he makes a mistake and if a licence is pulled from some wacko, it could make the loon a mite bit irritable.
Still trying to figure out why the legit citizen is continually burdened with invasive government while the hoods of the world do what they please with little resistance. (Oh I forgot, it's all about fees and fines)

As with any issue, there are too many points of view and rarely a reasonable compromise.

When I suggested getting a "doctors permission", Maybe I could've worded that a bit better to imply that a potential firearm buyer's doctor should be asked if the buyer is on any heavy medication for personality disorders or depression. I personally don't think anyone with such issues should ever be allowed near a gun.

Never! They'll never take away my right to bear arms. They'll have to chop them off my cold lifeless body.

Nice, wish I thought of that! :smile:

 

[CL65 Captain]

I had a friend who drank a lot. He also took heavy doses of anti-depressants. When he'd mix pills and booze, he'd lose his mind, he'd forget who you are, forget where he is, and he would also come to the point where he could not even recognize his wife. Occasionally, he'd beat her up, which once landed him in trouble and got him a record.

He has lots of guns, he loves to carry them and wave them around.

Even though he has to take pills to function normally, and even though he no longer has a clear background, he still goes out and buys new guns every once in a while. Someone please give me a reasonable explanation why he should still have the right to go out and buy guns?

I believe in the right to own a gun, but it should be registered, a background should be checked prior to purchase and one should also be mentally evaluated, as-in your doctor should give the OK for you to own one. If you do something that lands on your background, your license should get taken away. Simple as that.

Not everyone can be responsible with a gun. I have one and I do deserve to own it because, for the time being, I'm still mentally coherent. :biggrin:

(As I wrote this, some nut shot his minister in Illinois!)

 

[robr]

think they arn't moving to take away you right to bare arms? ? ? Here is a step in that direction

He was in no way suggesting you would not have the right to grizzly arms, this is all about not being able to wear short sleeve shirts.

 

[ncbluetj]

I believe in the right to own a gun, but it should be registered, a background should be checked prior to purchase and one should also be mentally evaluated, as-in your doctor should give the OK for you to own one. If you do something that lands on your background, your license should get taken away. Simple as that.

Does your doctor give you a mental evaluation before you renew your driver's license? A LOT more people are killed by automobiles every year in this country than guns. I see mentally unstable people driving 4000lb.+ vehicles down the freeway everyday. Sometimes they even swerve at me and make dangerous maneuvers. One of them even ran right into me several months ago. I've never seen a mentally unstable person waving a gun around or firing one at people. In fact, I've been around guns my whole life to one degree or another and have never felt threatened by one. I have been around motor vehicles my whole life as well; I can't say the same about them.
CL65 driver is right in that you can't legislate away stupid. The world is a dangerous place; always has been, always will be. You can't make a new rule every time you discover a new danger (this one isn't new). We would never stop making rules.

 

[myguitar]

Does your doctor give you a mental evaluation before you renew your driver's license? A LOT more people are killed by automobiles every year in this country than guns. I see mentally unstable people driving 4000lb.+ vehicles down the freeway everyday. Sometimes they even swerve at me and make dangerous maneuvers. One of them even ran right into me several months ago. I've never seen a mentally unstable person waving a gun around or firing one at people. In fact, I've been around guns my whole life to one degree or another and have never felt threatened by one. I have been around motor vehicles my whole life as well; I can't say the same about them.
CL65 driver is right in that you can't legislate away stupid. The world is a dangerous place; always has been, always will be. You can't make a new rule every time you discover a new danger (this one isn't new). We would never stop making rules.

You are right sir. A car is a weapon in wrong hands. This is a bit off-topic but I also never understood why you have to be 21 to buy beer, but you can be 18 and buy a 1000cc crotch rocket.

I said it above, there are many sides of the gun debate and a compromise is very hard to reach. IMO, we still need to avoid giving guns to anyone who has a record, or at least a history of violence.

Also, I am originally from Europe and I can't tell you how exactly things work over there, but they seem to go along just fine without loose gun laws.

 

[ncbluetj]

Also, I am originally from Europe and I can't tell you how exactly things work over there, but they seem to go along just fine without loose gun laws.

Of course they do, hardly anyone owns guns over there.