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It's Thursday, the unofficial start of the weekend but the official day for posting gun porn.
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Yay Seekins!
Extar EXP-556.
| Manufacturer: | EXTAR |
| Model: | EXP556 |
| Caliber: | 5.56mm NATO |
| Barrel Length: | 9 inch |
| Capacity: | 30-39 |
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The EXTAR EXP-556 Pistol is a semi-auto, gas operated pistol that uses any standard MILSPEC AR-15 magazine, from 5 rounds, 30 rounds, up to drums. It has a 1:9 twist 8.25 inch barrel that is threaded to 1/2-28 threads, and comes with a recoil reducing muzzle brake/compensator which adds 1 inch to the barrel, for a total of 9.25 inches. Compensator is not permanently attached, is interchangeable. It has an overall length of 18 inches and is 2.25 inches wide at its widest point. It's unloaded weight is 2.98 lbs, making it the lightest AR-15 type pistol in the world today! It's loaded weight with standard aluminum 30 rd magazine with 55 grain rounds is 4.06 lbs total! It has a peep rear sight and blade front sight with a sight radius of 12.38 inches. The top of the upper receiver is railed for mounting optics.
Lightest 5.56/.223 pistol in the world today!
MADE IN USA IN LAKE HAVASU, ARIZONA
Compact design with no buffer tube
Extremely low recoil – Can be held and shot with one hand with virtually no muzzle climb
Compensator actually pushes barrel DOWN about 1 inch – Quick followup shots!
Reversible safety to compensate left handed shooters
Integrated winter trigger guard, anti-slip free floating hand guard
Polymer construction
Matte Black
Most parts interchangeable with standard MILSPEC AR-15 parts
Standard AR-15 pistol grip- 3/16” standard hex head allen bolt
Standard MIL-STD 1913 Picatinny Rail for mounting optics
Comes with one 30rd metal magazine
I'd like to try one of those.
Issue is see with that short barrel AR is Muzzle velocity. You need to go with the 300 AAC Blackout to keep your muzzle velocity up with a short barrel. 300BLK is better if you ever want to put a can on it as well. You cant just chop up a standard AR and expect it to perform with a 9" barrel.
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Yeah 8.25" is pretty short. I was thinking about building a 223 zombie pistol with a 10.5". I already have a 300 blackout pistol which is 8.5" and completely badass.
That pistol previously posted is really only interesting because of the lack of buffer tube.
That pistol previously posted is really only interesting because of the lack of buffer tube.
Everything about this post is wrong. 5.56 has higher muzzle velocities in any length barrel.
I have a 8.5" LWRC upper on a KAC-15 lower and shoot suppressed all the time with no issues. Where did you get the ridiculous info you posted?
Army Rangers use 10" barrels on their M4s, using longer barrelled weapons to fire heavier calibers (7.62 NATO out of a M110 or M21 etc). 5.56 is not really all that great of a round, but its small and light so it can be carried in large numbers. Shot placement, of course, is the most critical element of a round's lethality. Though 5.56 (55gr) doesn't transfer energy very well to begin with, the faster it's moving, the less likely it is to STOP the target immediately (it will overpenetrate instead). I have heard that 77gr hits hard enough to see good results, though.
Some of you guys sound like a bunch of little kids regurgitating specs found in back of "Popular Science." I have fired many of Hugh's guns and they feel great and are extremely accurate. Hugh has been helping me improve my platform and learn more about rifles and he know's his $hit. However, I do like reading everyone's opinions on various firearms.
Continue on. :smile:
Continue on. :smile:
Blackout is always slower which is ok because the bullets are 2-3x heavier. You need to compare the energy not the fps.
Don't tell me Cozmo, tell the OP. He was insinuating that the .300 AAC had a higher velocity than the 5.56 when using an SBR. I shoot both calibers regularly in both 16" and SBR configurations.
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My only problem with 300 blackout is the price of the ammo. Even if you make your own the bullets are 2-3x more expensive than .223
Edit: and the fact that it isn't fast enough to detonate tannerite targets
Edit: and the fact that it isn't fast enough to detonate tannerite targets
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A: I was born & raised in Manhattan.
B: Golf is ghey and to entertain my clients when I worked on Wall Street, instead of playing golf I took them shooting at Downtown Rifle & Pistol Club on Murray St. I got into guns in my pre-teen years when at summer camp we shot .22 rifles. It's an addiction not unlike the "Go Fast Crack Pipe".
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Here's a better picture of my 16" blackout.
I changed to a better scope mount and made my own stippled Punisher PMAG.
I changed to a better scope mount and made my own stippled Punisher PMAG.
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It is a p-300. The blackout bdc version. 2-7x
When you talk about velocity, and how much is enough for any caliber, you also need to consider the intended purpose and especially, bullet construction. Apologies to those who already know this, but it's not common knowledge and I think some might be interested.
If you're looking for a range toy, or in general to only shoot paper targets, then caliber and bullet construction doesn't matter except to tell the guy at the bench next to you why you're obviously smarter than him. If you're looking for a defensive weapon, then you're getting into terminal ballistics. This is not always the same thing as terminal ballistics for hunting, either- the goal is to stop the threat, not to kill with minimal time tracking or minimal tissue damage.
Bullet weight for rifles isn't everything- there's a lot of anecdotal evidence out there to show the old 55gr Vietnam era .223 bullets performed a lot better than the current 62gr green tip does. Some would chalk this up to the lower velocity of the heavier bullet, or the lower velocity of the shorter barrel on the M4 compared to the old M16. This ignores the difference in construction. The 55gr is a standard lead core full metal jacket. When it hits, it tumbles and fragments, causing a much wider wound path than it would if it remained solid, and usually causing all the energy to remain in the target.
By comparison, the green tip is a split core, with a steel penetrator in front of a second lead core, all with a full metal jacket. This was developed because the Army expected to be facing Soviet motor rifle divisions in Europe, and wanted to punch through their standard issue steel helmets. Because steel is less dense than lead, the whole works is even longer than a similar weight solid lead core, and this required a faster twist in the rifling to keep it stable.
The combination of longer bullet and faster twist discourages the bullet from tumbling when it strikes a soft target. The reduced deformation of the steel penetrator in the front half further reduces the bullet's ability to fragment, and the combination of these effects is what causes overpenetration and reduced ability to stop the enemy. Fire the result out of a short barrel and it's no wonder we only issue 10" barrels to Rangers or SWAT guys, because most of us can't guarantee we will place a bullet accurately enough to work under those conditions. Of course, SWAT around here uses a 69gr .223 Matchking. At close range, this still retains enough velocity to fragment.
There are some bullets you find on the reloading shelf that were intended for .308win and .300mag velocities, and just plain won't work in blk. You shoot them at a deer or hog, and they act like a solid, or like a green tip- they just go through the whole animal like a laser beam and don't put them down. Barnes has released a special version of their TTSX with a different color tip that is supposed to expand at blk velocities, and I would guess if you fired one out of a .300mag the front half would fragment like crazy.
I should say that terminal ballistics is kind of a black art- no matter how a bullet functions in gel tests, or how many deer/hogs you drop, sometimes a bullet does something completely unexpected. There are many people and deer who have fallen to a .22lr, and there are people who have survived being shot through the heart at close range. As a general rule, though, you can pick your bullet to match your gun and your intended use, and if you do so correctly, you will have much better results.
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Almost forgot- what DRIFTER may have meant was that you lose less velocity with a short barrel on a blk than on a .223, which is correct and may not matter at all depending on what you are trying to do.
Looking at barrel lengths of 16" and 10", chosen because they are common numbers, Hugh's chart shows a drop of 394fps for .223 and a drop of 224fps for blk. This matters for terminal ballistics as the bullets drop out of their design window for fragmentation or expansion, which is of course different for every bullet.
For myself, I have a 16" .223 and an 8.5" blk, and I enjoy both. Neither is as much fun as the 16" .308, though.
If you're looking for a range toy, or in general to only shoot paper targets, then caliber and bullet construction doesn't matter except to tell the guy at the bench next to you why you're obviously smarter than him. If you're looking for a defensive weapon, then you're getting into terminal ballistics. This is not always the same thing as terminal ballistics for hunting, either- the goal is to stop the threat, not to kill with minimal time tracking or minimal tissue damage.
Bullet weight for rifles isn't everything- there's a lot of anecdotal evidence out there to show the old 55gr Vietnam era .223 bullets performed a lot better than the current 62gr green tip does. Some would chalk this up to the lower velocity of the heavier bullet, or the lower velocity of the shorter barrel on the M4 compared to the old M16. This ignores the difference in construction. The 55gr is a standard lead core full metal jacket. When it hits, it tumbles and fragments, causing a much wider wound path than it would if it remained solid, and usually causing all the energy to remain in the target.
By comparison, the green tip is a split core, with a steel penetrator in front of a second lead core, all with a full metal jacket. This was developed because the Army expected to be facing Soviet motor rifle divisions in Europe, and wanted to punch through their standard issue steel helmets. Because steel is less dense than lead, the whole works is even longer than a similar weight solid lead core, and this required a faster twist in the rifling to keep it stable.
The combination of longer bullet and faster twist discourages the bullet from tumbling when it strikes a soft target. The reduced deformation of the steel penetrator in the front half further reduces the bullet's ability to fragment, and the combination of these effects is what causes overpenetration and reduced ability to stop the enemy. Fire the result out of a short barrel and it's no wonder we only issue 10" barrels to Rangers or SWAT guys, because most of us can't guarantee we will place a bullet accurately enough to work under those conditions. Of course, SWAT around here uses a 69gr .223 Matchking. At close range, this still retains enough velocity to fragment.
There are some bullets you find on the reloading shelf that were intended for .308win and .300mag velocities, and just plain won't work in blk. You shoot them at a deer or hog, and they act like a solid, or like a green tip- they just go through the whole animal like a laser beam and don't put them down. Barnes has released a special version of their TTSX with a different color tip that is supposed to expand at blk velocities, and I would guess if you fired one out of a .300mag the front half would fragment like crazy.
I should say that terminal ballistics is kind of a black art- no matter how a bullet functions in gel tests, or how many deer/hogs you drop, sometimes a bullet does something completely unexpected. There are many people and deer who have fallen to a .22lr, and there are people who have survived being shot through the heart at close range. As a general rule, though, you can pick your bullet to match your gun and your intended use, and if you do so correctly, you will have much better results.
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Almost forgot- what DRIFTER may have meant was that you lose less velocity with a short barrel on a blk than on a .223, which is correct and may not matter at all depending on what you are trying to do.
Looking at barrel lengths of 16" and 10", chosen because they are common numbers, Hugh's chart shows a drop of 394fps for .223 and a drop of 224fps for blk. This matters for terminal ballistics as the bullets drop out of their design window for fragmentation or expansion, which is of course different for every bullet.
For myself, I have a 16" .223 and an 8.5" blk, and I enjoy both. Neither is as much fun as the 16" .308, though.
Man it has been way too long since I went shooting. This thread isn't helping
For you guys interested in short barreled rifles/pistols, I suggest the 9mm. I have a Colt 9mm/7 inch barreled rifle and it's about half as loud as the 223 version. Very nice to shoot and 9mm ammo is half the cost. Just my .02.
Hugh,
I also shot at the Downtown Rifle and Pistol Club. I'll never forget riding the subway into work one morning about 6am. My boss met up with me on the train. It was winter and we stood swaying back and forth as the train lunged and stopped.
Thats when he opened his long wool coat and showed me his H&K sp89 . For those of you that don't know, the offense in NYC for carrying such a weapon is.............well, A LOT!!!!!! I miss the testosterone fueled Wall Street life. We shot that gun later that day and it was most memorable. He still has it and I keep in contact with him from time to time.
I also shot at the Downtown Rifle and Pistol Club. I'll never forget riding the subway into work one morning about 6am. My boss met up with me on the train. It was winter and we stood swaying back and forth as the train lunged and stopped.
Thats when he opened his long wool coat and showed me his H&K sp89 . For those of you that don't know, the offense in NYC for carrying such a weapon is.............well, A LOT!!!!!! I miss the testosterone fueled Wall Street life. We shot that gun later that day and it was most memorable. He still has it and I keep in contact with him from time to time.
A: I was born & raised in Manhattan.
B: Golf is ghey and to entertain my clients when I worked on Wall Street, instead of playing golf I took them shooting at Downtown Rifle & Pistol Club on Murray St. I got into guns in my pre-teen years when at summer camp we shot .22 rifles. It's an addiction not unlike the "Go Fast Crack Pipe".
Any love for the AK here? Other than rapid fire I don't find them terribly fun to shoot. I am tempted to pick up something like a PAP M92 pistol just to have as a beater.
