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Correct. I was referring to the comment about a "semi automatic military grade weapon"... But you do have a good point regarding the descriptions. Same reason the media, and some in this thread, keep referring to the weapons as a "glock and a pistol"... Like they were two different things.
I think the largest issue with the division on guns is that it's very unlike the division on broccoli. With broccoli some people try it and don't like it. Others try it and do like it. With guns I feel most that don't like them have not tried them. People who are pro gun most likely have been around guns their whole lives and see the usefulness in them. People who are against guns IMO most likely have made up their mind with very little knowledge of guns besides what their spoon fed on the news. No news channel is going to do a story about how a family ate well this winter because they had a gun to go hunting. No news channel is going to do a story about how many people died because of the over population of deer and deer being hit by cars killing the driver or passengers. It doesn't fit their agenda.
Most people who don't like guns buy their food at the store since being born. They most likely live in a heavily populated area and have never been hunting or maybe even plinking cans. They just don't see the usefulness of a gun. I can say beyond the shadow of a doubt there are people in this country who would starve to death without a gun, think Alaska now but poorer country areas 30 years ago. Like the show on discovery, Alaska: the last frontier. Believe it or not there are a lot of people in this country who still live like that out of need and choice.
I can tell you this for sure, I personally would have starved to death as a kid it I had to beat the pigs and cows to death with a rock instead of using a gun. And deer well they sure as hell wouldn't have sat down and waited for me to build a gallows.
Someone who has lived in the city their whole life will never understand the need.
It is truely sad what happened but don't blame the gun, blame the individual or perhaps the general moral decay in the country.
As a side note, I did not watch the media this weekend so I don't know where the shooter got his guns. If they were not his, the fact is, they guns should have been in a safe. It has not been fully confirmed whether the guns actually used were pistols or the AR. Both use very different bullets to that will be an easy questin to answer in the near future.
I listened to a speech by my children's principal this morning. Not sure there was a dry eye among the parents. He spoke to the kids and said there is no where safer for the kids to be and that they shouldn't be afraid to come to school to learn and play with their friends.
Ever since they started school, we've walked past 2 to 3 armed security personnel and a few inside the building as well. However, I've just now learned that many of the teachers are CCW holders as well. It's not something they advertise but after finding out, I'm proud of the school and the great lengths they've gone to secure the kiddos.
I never meant that literally. It was meant to open the eyes of those who take the stance that we should arm everyone instead of banning guns all together. No one (including the US) should have nuclear weapons.Who did you want to give nuclear weapons to first?
Guns are like drugs, you don't need to experiment with them to know how deadly they can be.With guns I feel most that don't like them have not tried them. People who are pro gun most likely have been around guns their whole lives and see the usefulness in them. People who are against guns IMO most likely have made up their mind with very little knowledge of guns besides what their spoon fed on the news.
Its hilarious to think some do not want children to learn about Evolution in the classroom but arm their teachers and suddenly everyone is a Navy Seal. Goes to show just how bad things have become.However, I've just now learned that many of the teachers are CCW holders as well. It's not something they advertise but after finding out, I'm proud of the school and the great lengths they've gone to secure the kiddos.
Pretty disgusting to read some of the responses by those who perpetuate the status quo. To those who advocate giving everyone a gun, should every country in the world be given nuclear weapons?
Guns are like drugs, you don't need to experiment with them to know how deadly they can be.
Yes, the ones prescribed to you by medically trained and certified professionals can help save your life. Those drugs are not readily available to anyone, unlike guns. We have a ban on illegal drugs, yet nothing on guns. How many more children and innocent lives should be taken for the sake of upholding an amendment that was written 200+ years ago, with circumstances that are grossly irrelevant today.And like drugs if used properly they can save your life.
Its hilarious to think some do not want children to learn about Evolution in the classroom but arm their teachers and suddenly everyone is a Navy Seal. Goes to show just how bad things have become.
I fail to see how one has to do with the other unless you are just trying to add another dimension to this arguement or start a fight...
Those drugs are not readily available to anyone, unlike guns. We have a ban on illegal drugs, yet nothing on guns.
seems that after awhile the discussion is turning tword the issues of gun legislation,how different laws are from state to state ect......but I personaly am more interrested in perhaps learning more about the upbringing and parenting of the shooter and what "red flags" friends and family should have keyed in on.