Zipy said:We meet at Panera Bread in Independence, MO at the N.E. corner of hwys. 291 and 40 at 9AM and departing at 9:30AM. The drive usually lasts about 3hrs. and we often do lunch afterwards. We do the asphalt back road twisties in a "spirited " manner. Gary :biggrin: PS: The headers will be on by then!