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The Official 2012 F1 Thread...
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^^^To you Franchy:biggrin::biggrin:
James Allen has posted that it seems that Hamilton to Mercedes is a done deal??
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/09/hamilton-set-to-move-to-mercedes/
I don't know why I thought Hamilton would never move? :redface: But in retrospect, if it does happen, I see it as a win-win for everyone.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/09/hamilton-set-to-move-to-mercedes/
I don't know why I thought Hamilton would never move? :redface: But in retrospect, if it does happen, I see it as a win-win for everyone.
Wow great article! Thanks for posting!
Well I thought exactly the same thing!! Why would he move? I mean they created him! Hamilton would not exist in F1 if it wasn't for Ron Dennis and McLaren! Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...
If he leaves McLaren he will never win another world championship IMO!
Well I thought exactly the same thing!! Why would he move? I mean they created him! Hamilton would not exist in F1 if it wasn't for Ron Dennis and McLaren! Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...
If he leaves McLaren he will never win another world championship IMO!
McLaren boss lines up Perez to replace Hamilton as contract talks hit crisis
McLaren boss lines up Perez to replace Hamilton as contract talks hit crisis
Quoting newspaper article linked to above (emphasis added are mine):
McLaren boss lines up Perez to replace Hamilton as contract talks hit crisis
Quoting newspaper article linked to above (emphasis added are mine):
Mexican Sergio Perez is being lined up to replace Lewis Hamilton at McLaren as the British star's contract negotiations reach crisis point.
Only a week after McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh admitted the team did not have a 'Plan B', it is understood contact has been made with Perez as Hamilton ponders a £60million offer from Mercedes.
McLaren's approach to the 22-year-old Sauber driver is an indication the team are growing impatient with the negotiating strategy of Hamilton's management, XIX Entertainment.
The agency is controlled by Simon Fuller, the man behind the Spice Girls, David Beckham, Andy Murray and creator of the Pop Idol TV franchise.
The move is the beginning of the end game. Hamilton may find his future is taken out of his own hands with the spectre of Perez being courted by McLaren, who do not want to be outmanoeuvred by the 27-year-old British driver.
A senior Formula One insider said: 'Lewis Hamilton is playing with fire, and when you play with fire sometimes you get your fingers burned. He'd be crazy to leave McLaren. If he wants to know what happens when you leave a top team to chase money, he needs only to Google Jacques Villeneuve.'
Villeneuve's story is a salutary lesson for all drivers, even one as brilliant as Hamilton. Having won the 1997 World Championship with Williams - a team with a rich, race-winning Grand Prix heritage - Villeneuve accepted a multi-million pound pay rise to drive for the fledgling BAR team pieced together by his manager Craig Pollock.
Villeneuve never won another race, BAR evolved into BAR Honda which, in turn, evolved into Brawn, then Mercedes; and the Canadian driver eventually left Formula One seven years later as a fallen star.
Fuller's desire, in his first foray into Formula One's political and notoriously ruthless world, is to create a contract for Hamilton that will allow him to develop his own brand beyond those of McLaren's current sponsorship partners, numbering 30 in total. To McLaren chairman Ron Dennis this is anathema. His company, and the world titles won by men like Niki Lauda, Alain Prost and the late Ayrton Senna, has always been dependent on the income generated by commercial partners. They, in return, have access to McLaren's drivers.
Hamilton is believed to be unsettled by the refusal of these demands and also by the salary offer on the table. The five-year deal negotiated by his father, Anthony, in 2007, was worth a total of £75m on a sliding scale, with this final year paying him about £18m. Sources close to XIX Entertainment claim Hamilton is being asked to take a pay cut to re-sign for McLaren, who groomed him from the age of 13.
This is flatly denied by McLaren. Informed speculation is that McLaren have proposed a deal close to £45m for a two-year contract, plus one-year option.
Mercedes have put an offer before XIX Entertainment that, with bonuses, could be worth £60m to Hamilton over the same three-year period from 2013.
They would also give XIX Entertainment the leeway to broaden Hamilton's brand into new markets. Mercedes have another card to play: the team are directed by Englishman Ross Brawn, who won seven world championships with Michael Schumacher, five with Ferrari and two with Benetton, and another with Jenson Button, team-mate to Hamilton at McLaren.
Hamilton has won two of the last three races, and Button the other, as McLaren demonstrate they once again have the fastest car on the grid ahead of the Singapore Grand Prix next weekend.
Is it wise to abandon McLaren, with a record of winning one of every four grand prix races, to take a gamble on Mercedes?
Only a week after McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh admitted the team did not have a 'Plan B', it is understood contact has been made with Perez as Hamilton ponders a £60million offer from Mercedes.
McLaren's approach to the 22-year-old Sauber driver is an indication the team are growing impatient with the negotiating strategy of Hamilton's management, XIX Entertainment.
The agency is controlled by Simon Fuller, the man behind the Spice Girls, David Beckham, Andy Murray and creator of the Pop Idol TV franchise.
The move is the beginning of the end game. Hamilton may find his future is taken out of his own hands with the spectre of Perez being courted by McLaren, who do not want to be outmanoeuvred by the 27-year-old British driver.
A senior Formula One insider said: 'Lewis Hamilton is playing with fire, and when you play with fire sometimes you get your fingers burned. He'd be crazy to leave McLaren. If he wants to know what happens when you leave a top team to chase money, he needs only to Google Jacques Villeneuve.'
Villeneuve's story is a salutary lesson for all drivers, even one as brilliant as Hamilton. Having won the 1997 World Championship with Williams - a team with a rich, race-winning Grand Prix heritage - Villeneuve accepted a multi-million pound pay rise to drive for the fledgling BAR team pieced together by his manager Craig Pollock.
Villeneuve never won another race, BAR evolved into BAR Honda which, in turn, evolved into Brawn, then Mercedes; and the Canadian driver eventually left Formula One seven years later as a fallen star.
Fuller's desire, in his first foray into Formula One's political and notoriously ruthless world, is to create a contract for Hamilton that will allow him to develop his own brand beyond those of McLaren's current sponsorship partners, numbering 30 in total. To McLaren chairman Ron Dennis this is anathema. His company, and the world titles won by men like Niki Lauda, Alain Prost and the late Ayrton Senna, has always been dependent on the income generated by commercial partners. They, in return, have access to McLaren's drivers.
Hamilton is believed to be unsettled by the refusal of these demands and also by the salary offer on the table. The five-year deal negotiated by his father, Anthony, in 2007, was worth a total of £75m on a sliding scale, with this final year paying him about £18m. Sources close to XIX Entertainment claim Hamilton is being asked to take a pay cut to re-sign for McLaren, who groomed him from the age of 13.
This is flatly denied by McLaren. Informed speculation is that McLaren have proposed a deal close to £45m for a two-year contract, plus one-year option.
Mercedes have put an offer before XIX Entertainment that, with bonuses, could be worth £60m to Hamilton over the same three-year period from 2013.
They would also give XIX Entertainment the leeway to broaden Hamilton's brand into new markets. Mercedes have another card to play: the team are directed by Englishman Ross Brawn, who won seven world championships with Michael Schumacher, five with Ferrari and two with Benetton, and another with Jenson Button, team-mate to Hamilton at McLaren.
Hamilton has won two of the last three races, and Button the other, as McLaren demonstrate they once again have the fastest car on the grid ahead of the Singapore Grand Prix next weekend.
Is it wise to abandon McLaren, with a record of winning one of every four grand prix races, to take a gamble on Mercedes?
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LOL...:biggrin:
My two favorite drivers as team mates at McLaren, yes please!!
Trust Joe Saward to put F1 rumours in perspective.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/
If Hamilton were to leave McLaren purely for the money, well he deserves it!
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/
If Hamilton were to leave McLaren purely for the money, well he deserves it!
I just love the way the F1 stories are sensationalized in The Daily Mail from the U.K., the same way they sensationalize every other story, especially on their Femail page.
Love Singapore and will one day watch Quali from the Marina Bay Sands infinity pool.
Driver negotiations
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/driver-negotiations/
Great perspective.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/driver-negotiations/
Great perspective.
Who cares about Hambone, I want to know who's signing Checo for next year!! :biggrin: :tongue:
Yup.
Hambone is history.
Chico is hot !
Hambone is history.
Chico is hot !
Checo's future is tied in to where Hamilton goes...so if I were both of you, I would stay informed on Hamilton's situation.
^^My opinion they will remain where they are this year.
Not necessarily, could be in the hands of Ferrari and what they decide to do with Massa.
I can't see him going to Ferrari to become a #2 driver.
why not? its not like he's a "#1" driver right now
Would you keep trying to develop your craft if you know that you will never get a chance to shine with Alonso as your teammate?
Perez has shown to be as good as any on the grid, But I also think that ferrari wont give him the chance to actually race Alonso.
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I'm not sure that Ferrari doesn't give Alonso and Massa equal treatment. When it comes to the WDC, they want whomever is ahead to finish with as many points as possible. When Alonso forced his way past Massa going into the pits in China (IIRC), he stamped his authority as the better driver. When Raikonen moved over for Massa back in 08 so that Massa would get more points, he said he did it for the team and that is how the team wins.
Perhaps Schu was the #1, perhaps he was just better than Barrichello. Button was better that Barrichello at Braun for 1 season.
But I am biased for the Red Team and believe Alonso is hand's down the best driver.
Miner
Go JB !
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/21/2012-singapore-grand-prix-practice-pictures/motorsports-fia-formula-one-world-championship-2012-grand-prix-of-singapore-14/
Boy oh boy does that car looks expensive ... to build!
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/21/2012-singapore-grand-prix-practice-pictures/motorsports-fia-formula-one-world-championship-2012-grand-prix-of-singapore-14/
Boy oh boy does that car looks expensive ... to build!
Hope for some rain tomorrow ...
Hamilton's time is just crazy-fast.
Driver Car Q1 Q2 (vs Q1) Q3 (vs Q2)
1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1’48.285 1’46.665 (-1.620) 1’46.362 (-0.303)
2 Pastor Maldonado Williams 1’49.494 1’47.602 (-1.892) 1’46.804 (-0.798)
3 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1’48.240 1’46.791 (-1.449) 1’46.905 (+0.114)
4 Jenson Button McLaren 1’49.381 1’47.661 (-1.720) 1’46.939 (-0.722)
5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’49.391 1’47.567 (-1.824) 1’47.216 (-0.351)
Alonso red car may be lapped by the McLarens tomorrow.
Driver Car Q1 Q2 (vs Q1) Q3 (vs Q2)
1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1’48.285 1’46.665 (-1.620) 1’46.362 (-0.303)
2 Pastor Maldonado Williams 1’49.494 1’47.602 (-1.892) 1’46.804 (-0.798)
3 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1’48.240 1’46.791 (-1.449) 1’46.905 (+0.114)
4 Jenson Button McLaren 1’49.381 1’47.661 (-1.720) 1’46.939 (-0.722)
5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’49.391 1’47.567 (-1.824) 1’47.216 (-0.351)
Alonso red car may be lapped by the McLarens tomorrow.
All that speed for naught.
