Anybody disappointed in Bar-Honda this year?

[K.O.]

I know Honda really wants a win this year in F1, but their reliablity is horrible; not to mention their pace compared to Renault, Mclaren, and *gasp* even Toyota.

It seems Honda is going for raw power which surprises me considering the Nsx is about balance and agility. This is leading to mechanical failure left and right.

I hope they get their act together so that maybe Honda will release a new Nsx to celebrate a win. However, I do believe Toyota may see a win before Honda does which sickens me.

 

[Juice]

I just can't figure out what BAR is doing this year. Maybe going for a record of blown engines within a season?

 

[OLDE GUY]

In a word: Yes.
But the Ferrari afficianados must be in a state of shock!

Renault is very impressive as is Alonso. Did you notice how little their Michelin tires wore down on the Renault compared with Ferrari's Bridgestones?

 

[EK4 hatchback]

Yes i am disappointed too...........

 

[NSXrunner]

Pretty weak for a team that finished 2nd in the constructors last year. Then again Schumi hasn't exactly been lighting it up.

Oh well maybe they have time to turn it around, only been 2 races.

 

[Doc308]

T thought that BAR Honda would come out guns-a-blazin' this year. What a disappointment so far. However, the season is young yet.

 

[eg9]

Very disappointed! They might actually lose to Manardi this year. If they keep this up, I can easily see Honda pulling out of F1. I will put money on it!

 

[NSXLuvr]

Disapppointing would be an understatement. :frown:

The season is still early, but so far Honda and Ferrari look silly. Renault and Toyota look impressive.

 

[K.O.]

Very disappointed! They might actually lose to Manardi this year. If they keep this up, I can easily see Honda pulling out of F1. I will put money on it!

I don't know about Minardi, although I do hear they are getting a 100+hp boost with new Cosworth engines on the way ;-)

You really think Honda may pull out even though they just put in a 45% stake with Bar? If anything I think they would fully take rein of Bar and be independent like Toyota and Ferrari.

As for this season, I pretty much have wriiten it off though its only been 3 races. I see the rules are just too silly and hardly favor racing and over-taking. Its more of a "who can conserve engine/tires/wear better".

On a side note...Toyota's reliablity scares me. I think last year they did not have any blow-ups (correct me if I am wrpng); they just didn't have pace. This year they are relaible and fast. If Honda can just win before they do, then the season is salvaged, at least for me.

 

[swbatte]

I agree with K.O.

There is to much cred on the line for Honda to pull out of F1 with Toyota on the rise. I'm willing to make a prediction. If honda doesn't finish in the top 4 for constructors, they'll buy out B.A.R's stake. If they do, they will buy it out later.

 

[Osiris_x11]

hmmm... Alot of the circles I've been in the company of as of late- have been saying B.A.R. Honda is simply paying its dues for its premature plans for the future. I believe in 2006 or 2008 (can't recall, sigh) that the engines will be downgraded to V8's (not the current V10's; yeah Williams BMW isn't too happy w/ that! :tongue: ) and other MAJOR rule changes. B.A.R. Honda is banking on those changes and a clean slate to be on a level playing field w/ its contemptoraries. This also seems on par w/ JButton's vague yet poignant verbal blasts at the engineers & technicians on the team; he insinuated that reliability seemed to be compromised and not the priority... in so many words.

All I know is when I was growing up, my mama said she didn't raise no one to finish second. Honda I feel has this mantra too. Last years second place finish for the constructors championship showed they are for real. Also a handful of podium finishes showed the prowess of its drivers & cars ability to take it to anyone. But, they unfortunately also recognized they were in all actuality the best of the rest, nowhere near the zenith of Ferrari. Now w/ F1 teams facing radical changes in car & engine specs in the upcoming year or so, I personally believe this season is more-or-less a continuation of testing. Of-course to prevent B.A.R. Honda from sinking into an abyss of mediocrity amongst its peers, I think the engineers/techs will put together a package few times this year to grab an occasional podium finish or be competetive (ie. at Silverstone & Suzuka before their 'home' audiences).