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daughter's mutiliated body - her parents receive emails of her crash

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i don't have the time to find the related prime thread, but thought we should consider this in future postings:

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Lasting images
Parents fight to clear the Internet of photos taken of their daughter after she was killed in a car crash.
By GREG HARDESTY
The Orange County Register

LADERA RANCH – Lesli Catsouras hasn't opened her e-mails in weeks.

Her husband, Christos, dreads having to use the Internet – fearful of what he accidentally may see.

They have banned their daughters – ages 15, 13 and 8 – from going online.

Losing oldest daughter Nikki, 18, in a car crash on Halloween has been hard enough on the Catsouras family.

Now, their heartache is compounded by outrage.

Graphic accident-scene photos, including close-up shots of Nikki, who suffered massive head trauma, have been leaked onto the Internet.

The images have turned up on hundreds of Web sites and in countless chat rooms and e-mails – from Australia to Italy. The photos often are accompanied by debates about the merits of the images, with many viewers even vilifying the dead teen.

"We're still just starting to deal with Nikki's death, and now this," said Christos Catsouras, 43. "People are sick."

The family blames the leak on the California Highway Patrol, the agency that is investigating the crash. The family has filed a claim against the state as a precursor to a civil lawsuit. The CHP is investigating.

As they continue to grieve, members of the Catsouras family also find themselves struggling to restore some dignity to Nikki's memory – and facing seemingly insurmountable odds to establish some decency in the sometimes insidious, unforgiving grip of the Internet.

The photos are so pervasive, Nikki's 15-year-old sister has stopped going to school out of fear of opening her locker and seeing a photo of her dead sister. She now is being home schooled.

A 12-year-old neighbor who accidentally saw the images is seeing a counselor, according to Christos Catsouras.

Some people have anonymously sent cruel, taunting e-mails to Nikki's relatives – including one to her father that read, "From Dead Girl Walking: Woo Hoo Daddy, I'm Alive."
CHALLENGE

A CHP official in Sacramento said the agency cannot discuss the claim filed by the Catsouras family and said the issue of the leaked images remains under investigation.

"We're trying to find out if these are our photos and, if they are, how they were made public," CHP spokesman Tom Marshall said.

Accident-scene photos are meant only for investigative purposes. CHP policy and the state vehicle code forbid them from being distributed publicly.

The CHP is sending notices to operators of Web sites that have posted the images, demanding that they immediately be taken down.

"We certainly do feel sorry for the family," Marshall said.

The Catsouras family has hired a company, Reputation Defender, also to demand that Web site operators remove the offending pictures.

The Catsouras family may face an uphill battle in trying to control use of the pictures on the Internet, said Brian Daucher, a civil litigator and partner with the Costa Mesa office of Sheppard Mullin Richter & Hampton who specializes in Internet-related litigation.

"Unfortunately, the law is not always great at regulating human decency," said Daucher, who is not involved in the Catsouras case.

Rights that protect a living person against defamation or invasion of privacy don't necessarily extend past death, Daucher said.

The pictures of Nikki's body also have turned up in at least one class for DUI offenders in Orange County, even though alcohol did not play a factor in the 1:45 p.m. accident, according to the CHP.

Toxicological and autopsy reports are pending, the coroner said.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving strongly opposes the use of gory or graphic images.

"The gore factor doesn't necessarily translate to behavioral changes," said Gail Butler, executive director of the Orange County chapter of MADD. "It would be nice if things were that easy."

One Internet expert theorized about why people would view and circulate such images.

"In the online world, a person can be totally disconnected from the consequences of their actions," said Nancy Willard, executive director of the Center for Safe and Responsible Internet Use in Eugene, Ore.

"They can have no empathy. They can't see the harm being done."
FREE SPIRIT

By all accounts, Nikki was not the rich, spoiled partygoer who got drunk and crashed a Porsche given to her by her father – a fiction circulating online.

"She was a sweet, wonderful girl who never hurt anyone," said her mother, Lesli Catsouras.

Nikki had just started taking classes at Saddleback College in Mission Viejo. She had a passion for photography.

Nikki actually loved thrift stores and wanted to buy a beat-up '80s car, Johnson said.

In its claim, the Catsouras family cites emotional distress, loss of earnings and loss of consortium and seeks punitive damages, said attorney Tyler D. Offenhauser of Bremer Whyte Brown & O'Meara in Newport Beach.

"These images were posted solely for their 'shock and awe' value, without any consideration whatsoever for the feelings of the family," Offenhauser said. The 911 calls also are circulating online, he said.

The Catsouras family found out about the photos a few days after Nikki's funeral.

One of her cousins, Zoe, 19, got a text message on her cell phone.

When she opened it, she saw thumbnail images of the accident scene – one of Nikki shown slumped over and still strapped into the driver's seat, most of her head and face missing – and threw her phone down in shock.

The night before she died, Nikki had gotten into an argument with her father about "typical teenager stuff," Christos Catsouras said.

He disciplined her by taking away the keys to her car.

Nikki's mother said her daughter wasn't feeling well Oct. 31. She had a 3 p.m. appointment to see a doctor.

Christos Catsouras had lunch at home that day. He works five minutes away at a real estate office.

He recalled telling Nikki before he went back to the office that he loved her. She blew him a kiss and flashed him a peace sign.

After he left, Nikki walked to a key rack in the house and took the keys to her father's $150,000 Porsche – which Nikki had never driven, her father said.

The keys were hanging where they always were, with all the others.

Lesli Catsouras heard the garage door open and the car leave and called her husband, who called 911. He immediately drove around looking for her.

Nikki had taken off down the Eastern (241) Toll Road in his black 911 Carrera.

As she tried to pass a car that was going about 70 mph, she clipped it and lost control of the Porsche, the CHP said.

She slammed into a toll-booth building at Alton Parkway in Lake Forest.

Christos Catsouras' mind continually goes back to his last moments with his daughter.

Every day, he said, he kisses his daughters goodbye.

That day, he didn't kiss Nikki. In an interview, his eyes welled up. He fell silent.

Lesli Catsouras sat next to him, staring blankly ahead, her arms tightly crossed.

"She was our child," she said.
 
When this thread was on Prime I had posted my disgust that it was here and anywhere else on the internet for that matter and it was thankfully immediately removed from the site. People are animals to torture this girls family this way. The pics originally came off of a police site and whoever leaked the pics should be fired and lose their pension.
 
WoW! Makes you think.Those emails aren't just a bunch of random pictures with a story.
 
I can't imagine how awful it must be to see someone you love mutilated, let alone have pictures sent all over the world and sent back to you randomly with malicious intent. I can understand a morbid curiosity that some may have to see pictures like this - although I have no such curiosity. However, anyone that would use these images as weapons against her loved ones should be punished as much as the law allows.
 
The most brutal thing about it is that it was the "law" that allowed the pictures to be broadcast around the entire internet.
 
The most brutal thing about it is that it was the "law" that allowed the pictures to be broadcast around the entire internet.

Don't jump to conclusions. You don't know that it was the Highway Patrol. It could've been a medical examiner, the fire crew, a rescue crew, paramedics, or some passerby that managed to get closer access than they should have.
 
When this thread was on Prime I had posted my disgust that it was here and anywhere else on the internet for that matter and it was thankfully immediately removed from the site. People are animals to torture this girls family this way. The pics originally came off of a police site and whoever leaked the pics should be fired and lose their pension.

I too said the same exact thing. I even said that this would happen. As for the people emailing pictures and oter stupid sh*t... I would hunt them down! I've lost a younger sister and an older brother in separae incidents in the last two years, and I couldn't even imagine what I would do if there were pictures out there like that of them, much less with people sending them to me to taunt me!!! :mad: This is a sad sad situation, and it makes me embarassed that I even looked at the original thread... :redface:
 
Don't jump to conclusions. You don't know that it was the Highway Patrol. It could've been a medical examiner, the fire crew, a rescue crew, paramedics, or some passerby that managed to get closer access than they should have.

I can't remember the name of the site now,unfortunately, but as I said the original link to the pics from the thread in ferrarichat.com brought you to a law enforcement site that appeared to be legit in that nature.
 
I can't remember the name of the site now,unfortunately, but as I said the original link to the pics from the thread in ferrarichat.com brought you to a law enforcement site that appeared to be legit in that nature.

I find it EXTREMELY difficult to believe that any public safety agency would post those photos without written permission from the family.
 
I saw these pictures on another forum I'm on, and honestly I just saw the first one that was from a distance showing the car against the wall. I did not look at any others because I thought it would be disrespectful. I guess kind of like seeing the car from a distance like that was something I could actually do if I was driving by, but I would not be able to get up close and see the real damage.

Anyways I think its understandable that poeple in a forum are going to "debate" such things when presented. Its not fair and not what the family would want, but it is understandable. However the person that actually took the time to email that "From Dead Girl Walking: Woo Hoo Daddy, I'm Alive.", thats just (some word that means more than downright sick).



Funny...here we are again talking about this family in a public forum :rolleyes: But at least there is another side to the story now.
 
does anybody have the link for the original posting on this topic? (i did a search but apparently did not use the correct keywords)
 
I can't remember the name of the site now,unfortunately, but as I said the original link to the pics from the thread in ferrarichat.com brought you to a law enforcement site that appeared to be legit in that nature.

This is my recollection also. The pics were posted soon after the accident and appeared to be posted on a law enforcement site. Extremely gruesome. And no, I don't recall the site either.
 
The pictures of Nikki's body also have turned up in at least one class for DUI offenders in Orange County, even though alcohol did not play a factor in the 1:45 p.m. accident, according to the CHP.
Hmmm. The original news articles said the man driving the Civic she clipped had open containers in his car. If he was drunk and swerved into her lane alcohol definitely played a factor. Of course, they also said she was driving 100+mph, but who knows what would have happened if the Civic driver hadn't been drinking?
 
Don't jump to conclusions. You don't know that it was the Highway Patrol. It could've been a medical examiner, the fire crew, a rescue crew, paramedics, or some passerby that managed to get closer access than they should have.

From the article posted, it appears that the family believes it was the CHP that released the pictures. I presume they're a bit closer to the story than we are, and I'd defer to them.
 
found the thread / link:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79657

perhaps a member of prime / fchat could update that thread with this latest story regarding the recurring nightmare the parents are dealing with now - perhaps fchat could remove the pictures / link.


Just re-read my post over on the original thread- I'd still stand by what I said.

Agreed, but at the same time it appears her death is making a pretty widespread impact on the enthusiast world.

There is information that suggests this was not "Her" car, but rather her fathers, and that she was driving it angry, and without permission...

All these circumstances don't blur the one point that is most outstanding, and generally applicable-

Highspeeds and public roads are a bad combination. You just don't know what can happen.

Bad Juju fellas. Maybe we have all done it, but DAMN look at the consequences...

Oh- and if you haven't already, if you got teenagers, it might be a good idea to lock up those keys.

Philip
 
so why do we still have the links to forums with the pics on it then???
 
I see no reason for anyone to have had access to those pictures if they weren't directly involved with the investigation of the crash. It is not our right to be able to view pictures of people being decapitated by accident or execution.

Just my $0.02.
 
I see no reason for anyone to have had access to those pictures if they weren't directly involved with the investigation of the crash. It is not our right to be able to view pictures of people being decapitated by accident or execution.

Just my $0.02.

I agree with this completely...but must ask....what lesson does it teach parents????? To all buy lockboxes for their keys in the event that their teenage child decides to make a bad desicion. This girl made some bad choices obviously.....that in no way gives anyone the right to parade her images in death around the internet to educate the masses on parenting. I don't think anyone here who is a parent would disagree.
 
I have seen those pictures before and I regret seeing them every day of my life. It is such a horible tragedy. And to make it worse, people are tourturing them by trying to send the parents pictures?!? this is absolutely horible.
May God bless her and her familys soul...
 
I agree with this completely...but must ask....what lesson does it teach parents?????

I don't think there's any lesson to be learned. The only difference now is that when a person is killed, the pictures of the crime scene are most likely going to end up on our computer screens. The internet has invaded our privacy and we've all become immune to such graphic images. :frown:
 
I don't think there's any lesson to be learned.

All these circumstances don't blur the one point that is most outstanding, and generally applicable-

Highspeeds and public roads are a bad combination. You just don't know what can happen.

Bad Juju fellas. Maybe we have all done it, but DAMN look at the consequences...

Oh- and if you haven't already, if you got teenagers, it might be a good idea to lock up those keys.

Horrible that this happened, and horrible that these photos got posted on the internet- Unfortunate reality, but I don't think it is so terrible to try and extract some kind of meaning from it.
No need to admonish anyone, and no need to speak ill of the dead- I don't approve of the pictures. I wish I had never looked, but I did. I extrapulated that this was the result of a bad decision a driver made in a powerful car. I took away a sense that if not for dumb luck on more than one occasion, the same could have happened to me. I looked at it as a wake-up call regarding the consequences of bad decision making. Too many people think a high speed crash ends like it does in the movies, with the driver and passenger crawling out of the wreckage- it just ain't so. If seeing those horrible photos made any of us think twice about driving too fast on a public road, then that is the lesson.

It honors the dead to learn from this loss.

As for people who are antagonizing the parents- the inhumanity of that is shocking.


Philip
 
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