This is how I always end up with black cars, the deal is too good to pass up. Just bought the black car from South Bay Autonation Acura in Torrance. More updates later this evening, didnt get any work done this morning. Thanks to everyone who gave me the info that $60k off was possible. I did my app on Tuesday eve, approval yesterday and then real negotiations started. Actually it was a piece of cake. We were at 48k off before i filled out the app, I said it wasnt enough to motivate me to buy a color I didnt love. I asked for $60k, they countered $54k by saying meet you half way (which is a lazy way of negotiating). I said I'd be right over if it was $60k and they said come in now. Car was their demo car with 77 miles on it. I told them I need a week before they can deliver it to me. I still need to finish taking off the rest of the sound deadening so I can put my car back together. 3 yr lease 56% residual, $1436 a month, $5k down includes the 1st payment. I'll have to re-check my math but their purchase rate was 4.6% for anything 49-72 months so not enough savings for almost double the payment. I was going to put at least 20% down but I only had 1 hr total to leave my house, do the paperwork and leave their dealership to pick up my 6yr old from school so this was the easiest way to just get the deal done. Dont bother calling mission viejo, that clown seriously told me that there is a $30k incentive but they have a $10k over msrp market adjustment for their blue car