In our fs section JH4NA1156MT000929 SALVAGE and not clean
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What's the issue with this car?
thanks!
thanks!
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Ouch, these forums are invaluable imho
Shame, such a clean looking car! I was thinking about buying it and use it as DD.
thanks for the heads up! :frown:
thanks for the heads up! :frown:
You made a serious mistake. Get your facts right and back it up before making ignorant claims about other peoples cars.
I ran a carfax, autocheck and did a full PPI at Mechanics Direct in MA before purchasing this car in 06. I would never purchase a salvaged car or do this crap. I just ran a Carfax to make sure. What you see is a mistake on the title and was fixed. I have reported this garbage to Admin.
BTW, thanks to you, I wasted 35.00 for the report. Man up and pay me back the 35.00 it costed me for your mistake.
Here's my proof:
I ran a carfax, autocheck and did a full PPI at Mechanics Direct in MA before purchasing this car in 06. I would never purchase a salvaged car or do this crap. I just ran a Carfax to make sure. What you see is a mistake on the title and was fixed. I have reported this garbage to Admin.
BTW, thanks to you, I wasted 35.00 for the report. Man up and pay me back the 35.00 it costed me for your mistake.
Here's my proof:
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I'm not supporting anyone's claim here, but this has happened to me before on a different vehicle. I ran the carfax on a vehicle before buying it in 2007. in 2009, just for kicks, I had another one ran. It was different and had a hit for an accident in 2004.
not saying this is the case, but it can happen =(
not saying this is the case, but it can happen =(
Im on cell so can't copy paste full report but here is what I can copy:
. otor Vehicle pt. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL otor Vehicle pt. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL otor Vehicle pt. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL otor Vehicle pt. TITLE (Title #:003194F020) REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL POSSIBLE TOTAL LOSS -VEHICLE TIT REGISTERED TO AN INSURANCE COM otor Vehicle pt. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV otor Vehicle pt. TITLE (Title #:QT219356) PRIOR SALVAGE EXCLUDED/EXEMPT otor Vehicle pt.
. otor Vehicle pt. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL otor Vehicle pt. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL otor Vehicle pt. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL otor Vehicle pt. TITLE (Title #:003194F020) REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL POSSIBLE TOTAL LOSS -VEHICLE TIT REGISTERED TO AN INSURANCE COM otor Vehicle pt. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV otor Vehicle pt. TITLE (Title #:QT219356) PRIOR SALVAGE EXCLUDED/EXEMPT otor Vehicle pt.
You made a serious mistake. Get your facts right and back it up before making ignorant claims about other peoples cars.
I ran a carfax, autocheck and did a full PPI at Mechanics Direct in MA before purchasing this car in 06. I would never purchase a salvaged car or do this crap. I just ran a Carfax to make sure. What you see is a mistake on the title and was fixed. I have reported this garbage to Admin.
BTW, thanks to you, I wasted 35.00 for the report. Man up and pay me back the 35.00 it costed me for your mistake.
Here's my proof:
Hey i love your car, if it wasnt for the mileage, I would have tried to get it (cant because of financing...i need more than 24 months to be safe). This car is absolutely stunning, salvage or not. Its not... but just sayin....
You are not showing the whole carfax. The FIRST SALVAGE title was issued in WI not MO. The Salvage title certificate #s are different. I am not sure what the owner (I don't think it was you) said to the MO DMV to correct the MO title, but WI title is still branded and was not corrected. It is impossible for a different state to correct salvage title of another state. It has to be done in that state.
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1991 Acura NSX
Report Run Date: 2012-07-13 11:09:26.713 EDT
Report Summary
Class: Sport Car - Upper Premium
Engine: 3.0L V6 EFI
Country of Assembly: Japan
Vehicle Age: 21 year(s)
Calculated Owners: 6
VIN: JH4NA1156MT000929
Year: 1991
Make: Acura
Model: NSX
Style/Body: Coupe 2D
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Major title or other problem(s) reported
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Last Reported Odometer Reading: 105,216
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2 Problem(s) Reported:
15 Title/Problem areas checked:
No abandoned title record
No damaged title or major damage incident record
No fire damaged title record
No grey market title record
No hail damage title record
Insurance loss title or probable total loss record(s)
No junk or scrapped title record
No manufacturer buyback/lemon title record
No odometer problem title record
No rebuilt/rebuildable title record
Salvage title or salvage auction record(s)
No water damaged title record
No NHTSA crash test record
No frame/unibody damage record
No recycling facility record
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Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck examined the reported odometer readings reported to AutoCheck for this 1991 Acura NSX (JH4NA1156MT000929) and no indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. AutoCheck uses business rules to determine if reported odometer readings are significantly less than previously reported values. Not all reported odometer readings are used. Title and auction events also report odometer tampering or breakage.
0 Problem(s) Reported:
Mileage
Date Reported
25,000
04/10/1997
54,203
11/13/2000
54,445
04/30/2001
57,400
07/25/2003
74,111
08/17/2006
83,351
08/06/2008
105,216
08/18/2010
Vehicle Use and EventCheck
Information Reported! AutoCheck shows additional vehicle uses or events reported to AutoCheck for this 1991 Acura NSX (JH4NA1156MT000929). This includes reported vehicle uses such as rental or lease, and events such as whether the vehicle has been reported to have had a loan/lien or a duplicate title issued. Other events show if the vehicle has a reported accident and how many calculated accidents or if it has been reported stolen or repossessed. It is recommended to have pre-owned vehicles inspected by a third party prior to purchase.
0 Event(s) Reported:
6 Vehicle uses checked:
No fleet, rental and/or lease use record
No taxi use record
No police use record
No government use record
No livery use record
No driver education record
3 Event(s) Reported:
9 Vehicle events checked:
No accident record reported through accident data sources
Corrected title record(s)
No duplicate title record
Emission/safety inspection record(s)
Loan/Lien record(s)
No fire damage incident record
No repossessed record
No theft record
No storm area registration/title record
Full History
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Report Run Date 2012-07-13 11:09:26.713 EDT
Vehicle: 1991 Acura NSX (JH4NA1156MT000929)
Event date
Location
Odometer reading
Data Source
Details
03/04/1996
BELTSVILLE, MD
Motor Vehicle Dept.
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
03/10/1997
BELTSVILLE, MD
Motor Vehicle Dept.
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
04/10/1997
PALISADES PARK, NJ
25,000
Motor Vehicle Dept.
TITLE
04/30/1997
PALISADES PARK, NJ
Motor Vehicle Dept.
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
04/30/1998
PALISADES PARK, NJ
Motor Vehicle Dept.
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
04/30/1999
PALISADES PARK, NJ
Motor Vehicle Dept.
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
04/30/2000
PALISADES PARK, NJ
Motor Vehicle Dept.
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/06/2000
WAUKESHA, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept.
TITLE (Title #:003194F020)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
POSSIBLE TOTAL LOSS - VEHICLE TITLED/REGISTERED TO AN INSURANCE COMPANY
11/13/2000
WI
54,203
Motor Vehicle Dept.
ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
02/28/2001
KANSAS CITY, MO
Motor Vehicle Dept.
TITLE (Title #:QT219356)
PRIOR SALVAGE
EXCLUDED/EXEMPT
Your AutoCheck Vehicle History Report
1991 Acura NSX
Report Run Date: 2012-07-13 11:09:26.713 EDT
Report Summary
Class: Sport Car - Upper Premium
Engine: 3.0L V6 EFI
Country of Assembly: Japan
Vehicle Age: 21 year(s)
Calculated Owners: 6
VIN: JH4NA1156MT000929
Year: 1991
Make: Acura
Model: NSX
Style/Body: Coupe 2D
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Reported accidents: 0
Title and ProblemCheck
Major title or other problem(s) reported
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Your vehicle checks out!
Last Reported Odometer Reading: 105,216
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Your Vehicle Checks Out! There have been no accidents reported to AutoCheck for this 1991 Acura NSX (JH4NA1156MT000929). AutoCheck receives its accident data from government sources and independent agencies, and based on the information available to us, we have found that no accidents have been reported on this vehicle.
Title and ProblemCheck
Problem Reported! AutoCheck's database for this 1991 Acura NSX (JH4NA1156MT000929) shows a negative title(s) or other problems. When reported to AutoCheck, these events can indicate serious past damage or other significant problems, and disqualifies the vehicle for AutoCheck Buyback Protection. Check the Vehicle Use and EventCheck for reported accidents.
2 Problem(s) Reported:
15 Title/Problem areas checked:
No abandoned title record
No damaged title or major damage incident record
No fire damaged title record
No grey market title record
No hail damage title record
Insurance loss title or probable total loss record(s)
No junk or scrapped title record
No manufacturer buyback/lemon title record
No odometer problem title record
No rebuilt/rebuildable title record
Salvage title or salvage auction record(s)
No water damaged title record
No NHTSA crash test record
No frame/unibody damage record
No recycling facility record
OdometerCheck
Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck examined the reported odometer readings reported to AutoCheck for this 1991 Acura NSX (JH4NA1156MT000929) and no indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. AutoCheck uses business rules to determine if reported odometer readings are significantly less than previously reported values. Not all reported odometer readings are used. Title and auction events also report odometer tampering or breakage.
0 Problem(s) Reported:
Mileage
Date Reported
25,000
04/10/1997
54,203
11/13/2000
54,445
04/30/2001
57,400
07/25/2003
74,111
08/17/2006
83,351
08/06/2008
105,216
08/18/2010
Vehicle Use and EventCheck
Information Reported! AutoCheck shows additional vehicle uses or events reported to AutoCheck for this 1991 Acura NSX (JH4NA1156MT000929). This includes reported vehicle uses such as rental or lease, and events such as whether the vehicle has been reported to have had a loan/lien or a duplicate title issued. Other events show if the vehicle has a reported accident and how many calculated accidents or if it has been reported stolen or repossessed. It is recommended to have pre-owned vehicles inspected by a third party prior to purchase.
0 Event(s) Reported:
6 Vehicle uses checked:
No fleet, rental and/or lease use record
No taxi use record
No police use record
No government use record
No livery use record
No driver education record
3 Event(s) Reported:
9 Vehicle events checked:
No accident record reported through accident data sources
Corrected title record(s)
No duplicate title record
Emission/safety inspection record(s)
Loan/Lien record(s)
No fire damage incident record
No repossessed record
No theft record
No storm area registration/title record
Full History
Below are the historical events for this vehicle listed in chronological order. Any discrepancies will be in bold text.
Report Run Date 2012-07-13 11:09:26.713 EDT
Vehicle: 1991 Acura NSX (JH4NA1156MT000929)
Event date
Location
Odometer reading
Data Source
Details
03/04/1996
BELTSVILLE, MD
Motor Vehicle Dept.
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
03/10/1997
BELTSVILLE, MD
Motor Vehicle Dept.
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
04/10/1997
PALISADES PARK, NJ
25,000
Motor Vehicle Dept.
TITLE
04/30/1997
PALISADES PARK, NJ
Motor Vehicle Dept.
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
04/30/1998
PALISADES PARK, NJ
Motor Vehicle Dept.
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
04/30/1999
PALISADES PARK, NJ
Motor Vehicle Dept.
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
04/30/2000
PALISADES PARK, NJ
Motor Vehicle Dept.
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/06/2000
WAUKESHA, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept.
TITLE (Title #:003194F020)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
POSSIBLE TOTAL LOSS - VEHICLE TITLED/REGISTERED TO AN INSURANCE COMPANY
11/13/2000
WI
54,203
Motor Vehicle Dept.
ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
02/28/2001
KANSAS CITY, MO
Motor Vehicle Dept.
TITLE (Title #:QT219356)
PRIOR SALVAGE
EXCLUDED/EXEMPT
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I'm only going to post actual screen shots of the Carfax report since you claimed it was on Carfax, not some cut and paste job, from now you say is on "Autocheck". I'm not going to spend more money on Autocheck. All I know is this car's title is "not salvaged" as you are trying to prove. Whoever is responsible for inputting information in these reports obviously screwed up and it shows on the screenshot there was an error. Could well be they only bothered to correct the most important thing, the title, and not the other misinformation that you claim.
This car has been to the well known NSX body shop, San Pedro Auto in LB, where I had the fender replaced (stated in my add). Fabian (the shop manager) told me, Honda personally contracted his shop and trained them on how to properly repair NSXs when it first came out. Honda sent any NSXs that were damaged during shipment from Japan to the west coast to him for repair. He had nothing but praises for the car and surprisingly inquired about purchasing it from me when I wasn't even selling (means allot coming from him). He even went to say, my car body panels lined up better than most NSXs that came straight from the factory. My apologies to all, but I get very defensive if someone ever accuses me of something badly.
Anyways, I'm very frustrated right now and need to calm down.
This car has been to the well known NSX body shop, San Pedro Auto in LB, where I had the fender replaced (stated in my add). Fabian (the shop manager) told me, Honda personally contracted his shop and trained them on how to properly repair NSXs when it first came out. Honda sent any NSXs that were damaged during shipment from Japan to the west coast to him for repair. He had nothing but praises for the car and surprisingly inquired about purchasing it from me when I wasn't even selling (means allot coming from him). He even went to say, my car body panels lined up better than most NSXs that came straight from the factory. My apologies to all, but I get very defensive if someone ever accuses me of something badly.
Anyways, I'm very frustrated right now and need to calm down.
If it means anything at all, I can definetly vouch for my close friend Louis (AdvansCPAP) that this car in fact has a clean title. This is the guy that motivated me to get an NSX in the first place. Louis is probably one of the most pickiest people I know when it comes to buying mods for his NSX and is keen on keeping it well-maintained. He never intended on selling it. I dont know anyone that would spend 20+ hours threading red stitch, all by hand, into an interior that would soon be sold. All the modifications and upkeep of his car are second to none and has never failed to pay full attention to detail with respect to anything that has to do with his car.
I don't understand how you can vouch car is clean titen there is clear proof its not. Its like me claiming someone didn't shoot someone because he is my friend and good person when there is video of them doing nyways I am done with this. The whole point was to point out to perspective buyers car was salvaged in past. I work in law enforcement and I wa ttaught to investigate when I see something that doesn't add up which I did.
According to your AutoCheck, on 11-6-00 it was listed as a possible total loss. 7 days later, it seems fine. It's not on CarFax and even the CarFax that was run in 05 seems fine. I'm guessing this was an error with AutoCheck back then. It's already been reported that the car is fine and no accidents. (buyer to verify) Unless the salvage is real and was simply from being stolen and not wrecked?
Oh okay your right I left out an explanation about my vouching procedures. What I do is drive 8 miles down a couple streets, and end up at Louis' house. From there, he has a drawer (bottom left hand corner of his computer desk) where it is filled with NSX records and low and behold a CLEAN CALIFORNIA TITLE that I have laid my own two eyes on.
Congratulations on what you have learned in law enforcement. Maybe they can also teach you how to rack up a high i-<WBR>trader rating as well.
In all seriousness though, you do owe a huge apology to AdvansCPAP for putting his car on blast like that with very minimal and poor research on your part.
That AutoCheck report looks weird. I mean, no accident/theft/fire/flood/problematic records of any kind, and then BAM salvage title? 
Given that the Carfax report says the salvage title was issued in error, I'd be inclined to give the car the benefit of the doubt, but I would still have a trusted third party perform a thorough PPI (just as I would with any used vehicle). I'd also contact my insurance company to verify that I can obtain a normal insurance policy for the car. If both of those things check out, I'd have no problem purchasing the vehicle.
Given that the Carfax report says the salvage title was issued in error, I'd be inclined to give the car the benefit of the doubt, but I would still have a trusted third party perform a thorough PPI (just as I would with any used vehicle). I'd also contact my insurance company to verify that I can obtain a normal insurance policy for the car. If both of those things check out, I'd have no problem purchasing the vehicle.
Carfax and Autocheck are a total joke.
I've looked at cars that I've thought about buying that they both say have never been in an accident, but have been wadded up and killed. I've also looked at cars that Carfax and Autocheck say are pristine, never been wrecked cars that have been absolutely killed and salvaged.
You cannot put much faith in these two companies regarding what they assess as a "good" or a "bad" car right now.
It's very easy to take a car across state lines to "clean" a title from salvage to a non salvage car.
I've looked at cars that I've thought about buying that they both say have never been in an accident, but have been wadded up and killed. I've also looked at cars that Carfax and Autocheck say are pristine, never been wrecked cars that have been absolutely killed and salvaged.
You cannot put much faith in these two companies regarding what they assess as a "good" or a "bad" car right now.
It's very easy to take a car across state lines to "clean" a title from salvage to a non salvage car.
A "clean California title" doesn't necessarily mean it hasn't been salvaged in the past. Not saying that's what happened here, but I was burned in the past when I bought a "clean" title Supra back in the day. Carfax checked out too. Unfortunately I later found out that it had been salvaged in Florida and the title had been "washed" when it was titled in another state.
Don't want to take this off-topic or anything but the folks at the California DMV could have nearly issued me a clean title. During my visit to apply for California title, after paying all taxes and fees, the DMV clerk told me that my "title will arrive in the mail within two weeks" at which point I told her I wasn't supposed to receive one because there was a lien holder. Yes, apparently she had overlooked this. While pointing out the lien holder on my title application it was then when she noticed the Florida title being branded REBUILT. Had I not corrected her it would have been two serious oversights on her behalf. I'm not insinuating anything in regards to the vehicle discussed in this thread, I'm just sharing an experience showing that this type of thing can possibly happen and nearly happened to me
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I agree with PHOEN$X, any car, NSX or otherwise needs to be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Apparently CARFAX and such may be wright, or may be wrong. A funky repair will usually look funky. IE metal structures not perfect, especially outer edges, parts that dont line up like they should, a second car is good for comparison, nuts and bolts missing or dont match, flaking paint on inner structures, parts missing, or not properly bolted on, poor color/paint match, and worst of all funky looking welds, such as just a few tack welds and they say "good enough, I am selling it, what do I care?" If a car has none of this, I would say either no accidents, or a very, very, good repair. You cant trust what some piece of paper says. It must be verified.
It's really semantics at this point with this car. I honestly believe the seller believes his car is clean and clear. Just as I believe another document says it isn't.
But none of it REALLY matters.The car look features a complete change from it's original look and has lost irreconcilable value though to us, it's a work of art. The year/mileage combo makes it no less difficult to finance than it would be if it were not a salvage title.
If you want to buy the car as an investment , then the year, mileage, and facelift suggest this is not the car for you. If you Want to buy the car because it's currently a work of art, then the salvage vs non salvage makes no difference.
And a car is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
But none of it REALLY matters.The car look features a complete change from it's original look and has lost irreconcilable value though to us, it's a work of art. The year/mileage combo makes it no less difficult to finance than it would be if it were not a salvage title.
If you want to buy the car as an investment , then the year, mileage, and facelift suggest this is not the car for you. If you Want to buy the car because it's currently a work of art, then the salvage vs non salvage makes no difference.
And a car is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
Well said Teej
Congrats on the sale!
