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docjohn said:
The average overweight person who can't loose weight often underestimate thier total caloric intake each day.I am a fan of diet control but in combo with as much useful excersice as your time and body habitus can safely endure.Much mistisism has been placed on the process of weight loss in part because it makes "experts" gurus ect rich.If all of you who find yourselves stuck, will just take an exact accounting of your total calories(assuming a well ballanced diet) each day and realize that if you are not engaged in any prolonged physical activity you really should'nt be consuming more than 2-3000 calories depending on your frame.Thats not much considering what a can of coke has,a twinky,piece of pizza ect.
Good point, Doc. I think part of the problem concerns portion sizes (and I know I'm not alone in saying this). Look up calories and carbs in most references and they tell you how many for a portion size of 3-4 ounces or 100 grams. That may be a convenient standard to use, and it may result in the proper healthy consumption of 2-3000 calories, as you mention. But I, personally, consider a portion size of 3-4 ounces of meat, fish, etc to be downright miserly! (Again, if this works for you, by all means do it.) I expect larger portions than that in a restaurant - I think most people do - and we generally have larger portions than that at home, too (which is why it's even more important for me to eat healthy items and skip some meals).

There is a tendency to eat enough food to feel full, but if you do, you are almost certainly exceeding the 2-3000 calorie intake that will maintain your weight. I once dated a woman who would eat about a third of her food at a restaurant dinner, and take the rest home. She was smart, from a weight control standpoint. (Guys, don't do this on dates, as it will make you look miserly! ;) ) If you are counting calories or carbs, you need to not only look at the nutritional information on the package label, but also at the portion size; many times those per-portion numbers assume that a package of food has 3-5 portions when in fact many of us will consume the entire thing ourselves as a single portion.
 
Hello Ken,

a small trick I lernt during my harder years of weight training... during the carving phase (you had to lose 10-20lbs of fat that you cumulated during the bulking phase, a 6 months period were you kept 3500-4000 kcal/day spread over 5 meals), usually starting from May on... I used to carry with me many apples.

I hate apples, I really do. :(

But before lunch and dinner, maybe 45 minutes - 1 hour before, eat one of those. They require quite a bit of digestion work, they produce work in the stomach and in that period your hunger will go down quite drastically. I did this for 6-8 weeks, three apples a day (9:30am, 11:45am, 18:30pm) and I was able to keep a 2000kasl diet, that would have been impossibile for me to accept and to live with otherwise.

Like you I LOVE food! :D
As much as I hate apples... ;)
 
gheba_nsx said:
Hello Ken,

a small trick I lernt during my harder years of weight training... during the carving phase (you had to lose 10-20lbs of fat that you cumulated during the bulking phase, a 6 months period were you kept 3500-4000 kcal/day spread over 5 meals), usually starting from May on... I used to carry with me many apples.

I hate apples, I really do. :(;)


Funny I do this for cutting as well, only two apples a day and it helps but I like apples:biggrin: and food:redface:
 
clr1024 said:
Funny I do this for cutting as well, only two apples a day and it helps but I like apples:biggrin: and food:redface:


Then you are old school too... :tongue:

I got this from an old friend that did it competitively.. ok the apples were just on top of the thermogenic stack :biggrin: but it works for naturals too!
 
Plus the calorie counting should begin at the store not in your kitchen.Don't shop when you are hungry,and buy only what you need,any more and you will eat it if it is in the house.
 
NBC's nightline has this topic on right now>8:00 eastern
 
gheba_nsx said:
Then you are old school too... :tongue:

I got this from an old friend that did it competitively.. ok the apples were just on top of the thermogenic stack :biggrin: but it works for naturals too!

Been doing it for years, I also eat a bowl of oatmeal every day. Fiber is good at making you feel full longer, so is protein.

Ski Banker you are right drinking water before a meal is another way to fool your body into being full.

In a few weeks I am going to start cutting again...well try anyway because as with Johnny, my weight goes up some when I have a girlfriend and currently I do. The good thing is that she is pretty health concious too, does spinning, and used to teach it and lifts, so it helps.
 
Ken - be careful about not eating to drop weight. While your body weight may be dropping I doubt that your bodyfat % would be dropping as much as you think. Muscle burns calories all day and fat basically doesn't. In the absence of energy the body will actually consume muscle for energy first because its the most economical thing for the body to do. As men, our greatest advantage in achieving fat loss is actually our natural ability to carry more muscle. Also, as you get older it will be harder for you regain "lost" muscle because of the numerous hormone changes that occur with age in men. So you need to hang onto your muscle as much as possible.
Ultimately, starvation based dieting -although it visually appears to work in the short term- is unsustainable long term and will set you back. You can trust me on this, I am a certified personal trainer and sports nutritionist.
 
docjohn said:
NBC's nightline has this topic on right now>8:00 eastern

I saw that! I was over with my 3 kids at my parents house and I called my 3 kids into the room to see how they were being deceived and marketed too. To prove the point that character identification works with kids they decorated a rock with scooby doo and shreck stickers vs a banana and asked kids what they would rather have for breakfast - they all chose the rock! My kids are 4,5, and 8 so I am not sure they "got it" but I suspect that they did.

As for weight loss - some people eat to live, I live to eat. I fear a wheat or seafood allergy as much as more serious illness. Also, I have never been successful sustaining a diet. I lose 20 lbs, I gain 20 lbs. For me the gain is very gradual but there none the less. I tend to have binge weekends (wedding, vacation, holiday) and that puts me over the edge. Also, I tend to enjoy a drink and watch baseball on DVR late at night to relax and that lowers my inhibitions and I find myself eating a big dagwood sandwich!

What does work for me is I can control how much activity I have. I try to lift weights consistently but I absolutely hate it. I have to force myself to do it. What I do enjoy is running. I am down from 205 to 185 (5' 9.5"), 3" on my waist, and under 20% body fat as I am training for my first marathon. I have a terrible back, not a very good runner's body type, and have already been diagnosed with arthritis in key joints like my knees and ankles. I have had specialists kid with me (not knowing I run) and say "you will never run a marathon". I am out to prove them wrong!

For me running is really running away from home. I need to get away from the stress of a young family, running a business, and 1 million responsibilities. There are no phones, no interruptions, and I really almost fantasize I am running away! I get about 4 miles from home and start missing everyone/everything and run back. It is a great feeling and I have some interesting spiritual and intellectual moments on the trail.

Bottom line, research has shown that people successful with long term weight maintenance exercise consistently. They are able to do that because they found something the loved to do. It can be golf, tennis, dancing, skiing, whatever - as long as it is exercise and you love it.

Good luck to us all! If you need any more motivation remember the NSX is extremely susceptible to weight. If you loose 20 pounds it is like picking up 5 hp!!!!

:)
 
docjohn said:
You already know the answer to your dilemma,you need to maintain your single/on the prowl caloric/activity ratio constant all year. Fat cats don't hunt.

So true. You gotta stay hungry.:biggrin: :biggrin:
 
redshift said:
- I naturally eat a high protein diet + supplement with shakes

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If you wouldn't mind, would you share your daily diet with us, for some us that are trying to hit the gym and eat healthy? Thanks! :)
 
I have lost about 9 pounds so far (2 weeks).

Have eaten pizza once, and one item at Taco Hell.

Most days I am eating 4 oz. meat, two cans of mercury (tuna), three eggs (whites only), water, and have thrown in a few salads....
 
Picture of Friday night dinner:
1) Fat Free cottage cheese - Walmart - $2.70 for the container (will last 30 meals)
2) Can of tuna fish - in water- Walmart - $.63 cents
3) Sliced carrots - walmart - $2.53 bag (will last about 10 meals)
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Taste: horrible
 

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lafun2 said:
Johnny,

Are you eating the cottage cheest/tuna/carrot diet to drop weight or are you planning to put on lean muscle?


My body already has plenty of muscle (just covered in fat) so I am just shedding off the weight.

If you have lots of fat and no muscle, I recommend shaving the weight, then gaining the muscle. Just what works for me.
 
redshift said:
Consistency is definitely key. IMO 1.75 hours at the gym is WAY over-training. I've been consistently weight training 5 days a week for the last 8 years or so; I'm 6'1" 185 lbs, 6-8% body fat.

This is what I do to keep it going:

- 45min - 1hr per session.
- 1 cheat day per week (pizza, ice cream, etc.)
- every 2-3 months I take a full week off from the gym
- 6 meals a day - I've just trained myself to do this
- I naturally eat a high protein diet + supplement with shakes


I don't currently have any fitness goals that I'm striving for and I haven't gained/lost any muscle or gained/lost any fat for the last year; I'd say I'm purely in maintenance mode. Of course, what I've written is just a very generalized overview of what I do. I doubt it will help, but I just wanted to provide some additional perspective to this topic.

what you do is EXACTLY what "most" would recommend .It takes a little while to tune into BUT the rewards are awesome.
PS... if one was looking to lose fat,maintain or gain mass this IS the foundation to start with.

MY355
 
johnny010 said:
My body already has plenty of muscle (just covered in fat) so I am just shedding off the weight.

If you have lots of fat and no muscle, I recommend shaving the weight, then gaining the muscle. Just what works for me.

I am a short guy at about 130lbs. Have gained weight in the middle (read waist).

Figure I need to put on muscle and shed the spare tire.:frown:
 
lafun2 said:
I am a short guy at about 130lbs. Have gained weight in the middle (read waist).

Figure I need to put on muscle and shed the spare tire.:frown:


Some say its impossible to gain muscle and lose weight. I disagree, I do believe it is harder for more advanced lifters to do this though. Assuming your a beginner at working out, changes in diet and increasing your workout will yield both results typically, i.e gaining lean muscle mass and dropping fat, if you actually monitor what you eat, i.e. eat 6 meals a day with a close content to macronutrients. If you eat whatever, pizza, hambugers, fast food etc on a regular basis, all bets are off.

Here is some good reading covers most aspects of training.

http://www.cbass.com/index.html

another site

www.brinkzone.com/

With working out besides gentic freaks, usually what you put into it is what you get out of it. I have been on both sides lazy and half a$$ to semi-maniacal, now I am just trying to put my self somewhere in between. As its been stated its harder to be in the gym as much as I used to be with a girlfriend, although the ab workout is coming along:wink:
 
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