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Is this a fair deal?

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I was high bidder on this red 94 NSX listed on ebay last week ($37.1k after a few glasses of wine) and I see it listed today for a "buy it now" price of 37,900.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...4704&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT

Chicago Motor Cars seems to have an excellent rating on ebay and the car looks immaculate. Am I missing something here, is this not a pretty good deal?

I've got to add 7% sales tax to the price (versus NO SALES TAX for a private party sale) and a one-way flight up to drive it back to Athens, GA. So I'd be looking at about $41k when all is said and done.

What would $41k likely get me on a private sale in the Athens/Atlanta area? Any thoughts? Thanks.
 
IMO, mid 30's is a good price. Looks to be in great condition.

As for the sales tax thing, you still have to pay taxes on a private sale when you go to register it, (unless GA has some weird tax exemptions).
 
GHOSTRIDER said:
IMO, mid 30's is a good price. Looks to be in great condition.

As for the sales tax thing, you still have to pay taxes on a private sale when you go to register it, (unless GA has some weird tax exemptions).

In GA, private sales don't have to pay sales tax. We do have a tag tax, but that is the same regardless of if you bought via a dealer or an individual.
 
In Ga. you only pay sales tax on cars bought from a dealer. No tax on private sellers. In or out of state purchases, but We do have a big tag renewal fee every year on your birthday.
 
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The story of this 1994 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1154RT000421) according to our interpretation of the information reported to CARFAX:
This coupe has had 3 owners and was owned in Florida, Ohio and Illinois. It was originally registered by the owner for personal use.
It has had no minor or moderate accidents reported to CARFAX.
It has had no DMV-reported total loss events, like a major accident, fire or flood.
It has not been reported by a DMV as having an Exceeds Mechanical Limits or Not Actual Mileage title.
It has a consistent mileage history with no indication of an odometer rollback. It was driven an average of 2,190 miles per year, which is lower than the industry average of 15,000. The last odometer reading, reported on 05/05/2004, was 22,192 miles.
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Other Accident Indicators No Accident Indicators Reported
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Truth-In-Mileage Check No Odometer Problems Reported by a DMV - Buyback Guarantee!
Odometer Rollback Check No Potential Odometer Rollback Found
Mileage Consistency Check No Inconsistent Odometer Reading Found
3. LEMON CHECK®
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Number of Owners 3 Estimated Owner(s)
Type of Owners Originally Registered as a Personal Vehicle
5. RECALL CHECK
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6. WARRANTY CHECK
No Data Reported to CARFAX
DETAILED VEHICLE HISTORY 14 HISTORY RECORDS REPORTED
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Year/Make/Model: 1994 ACURA NSX

Body Style: COUPE
Engine: 3.0L V6 PFI DOHC 24V
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Manufactured in: JAPAN
Safety Equipment: 4 wheel ABS, Dual front air bags/active (manual) belts

Standard Equipment: Power Windows, Power Steering Optional, Air Conditioning, AM / FM Cassette, Power Brakes, Tilt Wheel, 6-digit Odometer





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Salvage Title Loss Due To Fire Title
Junk Title Flood Damage Title
Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title Hail Damage Title
Dismantled Title Canadian Total Loss


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No Salvage Auction Record Reported No Crash Test Vehicle Record Reported
No Fire Damage Record Reported No Airbag Deployment Record Reported
No Automotive Recycler Record Reported No Damage Disclosure Record Reported
No Frame Damage Record Reported No Collision Repair Facility Record Reported
No Police Accident Record Reported

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GOOD NEWS! No major odometer problems were ever reported by a DMV under the Truth-In-Mileage Act for this 1994 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1154RT000421). If you find that any of the following odometer problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee!

Not Actual Mileage Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses mileage fraud or a broken odometer.
Exceeds Mechanical Limits Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses an odometer rollover.


Odometer Rollback Check:


CARFAX found no odometer rollbacks for this 1994 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1154RT000421). Rollbacks reported in this section originate from readings collected by a DMV or other verifiable source.

Mileage Consistency Check:


CARFAX found no inconsistent odometer readings in the mileage history of this 1994 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1154RT000421).

Date: Mileage:
09/12/1995 8,946
05/26/1998 15,000
05/31/2000 17,000
06/29/2000 17,998
08/05/2000 18,077
09/13/2000 18,211
10/30/2000 18,351
08/27/2003 20,774
05/05/2004 22,192



Average miles driven per year 2,190 CARFAX AdvisorTM Compare this vehicle's average annual mileage to the industry average of 15,000 miles per year. Use this comparison to determine how this vehicle was driven.

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Ownership History:


CARFAX estimates that this 1994 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1154RT000421) had 3 owner(s). CARFAX analyzed this vehicle's title history and other supporting events to identify potential ownership transfers. In compliance with the U.S. privacy laws, CARFAX does not collect or report owner names or addresses.

Estimated Owners: Date: Location:
1st owner 01/27/1995 Florida
2nd owner 08/27/2003 Ohio
3rd owner 06/23/2005 Illinois

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This 1994 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1154RT000421) was checked for 8 types of registrations.

Personal Use Registration Reported No Fleet Registration Reported
No Lease Registration Reported No Commercial Registration Reported
No Rental Registration Reported No Non-Profit Registration Reported
No Taxi Registration Reported No Built to Non U.S. Standards Record Reported

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CARFAX cannot calculate the remaining coverage for this 1994 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1154RT000421) because no original manufacturer warranty information was reported to CARFAX by its source.

Estimated start date of warranty: 01/15/1995
Last reading reported on 05/05/2004: 22,192 miles
Today's Date: November 30, 2005

Type of Coverage: Original Warranty:
Basic No data reported to CARFAX
Drivetrain No data reported to CARFAX
Emissions No data reported to CARFAX
Corrosion No data reported to CARFAX
Transferable No data reported to CARFAX
Roadside Assistance No data reported to CARFAX
Safety Belt & Inflatable Restraint No data reported to CARFAX
Specific Components No data reported to CARFAX


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CARFAX searched more than 4 billion records from over 7,600 sources and found 14 record(s) for this 1994 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1154RT000421).

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01/15/1995 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Pompano Beach, FL
Registered as
personal vehicle


01/27/1995 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Pompano Beach, FL
Title #68327495
Title issued or updated
First owner reported


09/12/1995 8,946 Ohio
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Springfield, OH
Title #1200209031
Title issued or updated


05/26/1998 15,000 Ohio
Inspection Station
Passed emissions inspection


05/31/2000 17,000 Ohio
Inspection Station
Passed emissions inspection


06/29/2000 17,998 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced
Air conditioning serviced


08/05/2000 18,077 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced


09/13/2000 18,211 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced


10/30/2000 18,351 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced


07/11/2002 Indiana
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Fort Wayne, IN
Title #02170118086
Title issued or updated


08/27/2003 20,774 Ohio
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Minster, OH
Title #0600239465
Title issued or updated
New owner reported


05/05/2004 22,192 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced


06/23/2005 Illinois
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Aurora, IL
Title #X5174615633
Title issued or updated
New owner reported
Exempt from odometer reporting


11/07/2005 Dealer Inventory
Carol Stream, IL
Vehicle offered for sale

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Canadian Total Loss
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Not Actual Mileage
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almost a fair deal...

$41k will get you a '97+ w/ avg., above avg miles this winter (inference based on last year's winter; of-course now that the NSX is discontinued, things might be different which I doubt though at this point in time).

Remember though, regardless the model year, completion of maint'/service intervals (ie. 4yr/60k & 6yr/90k) should be considered when pricing and acquiring a NSX. That is generally a $2-2.5k expense.

If owning a NSX_coupe is preferable to a NSX-T for you, then the '94 mentioned seems to be a very nice example provided that it's upto date on it's maint'/service. I'd wait it out a bit; the
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is slightly higher than what the market dictates for this time of year.

Goodluck. :cool:
 
Dave Hardy said:
In GA, private sales don't have to pay sales tax. We do have a tag tax, but that is the same regardless of if you bought via a dealer or an individual.

Wow, a good thing about living in GA. Dealers must hate that.
 
GHOSTRIDER said:
Wow, a good thing about living in GA. Dealers must hate that.

That's OK, I hate dealers, so it all works out :)

Seriously though, I avoid dealers if I can. In addition to the tax rule, they are more expensive, and I hate "the game". I bought a Protege5 for my wife a couple of weeks ago. The dealers were selling them for $13K - $15K. I bought from an individual for $10K. He was asking $10,900, I offered $9,500, He said $10,500, I said $10K and we were done. No games, no "let me talk to my manager", no processing fee, no paperwork and advertising fee, no BS. I test drove it, liked it, we spent 30 seconds negotiating, and then I gave him cash and he gave me a title and bill of sale. The whole process was painless. I've never walked out of a dealer happy.
 
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