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Pinning the cams

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I am doing a timing belt replacement. I am using 3/16 roll pins. I can get all four cams, but the pin slides right into the rear exhaust and the other three will not slide in as easy nor as far. Is this correct?
Thanks
 
Kaz has a few blog posts about this. He actually posted a very helpful response in a thread I made recently, here (http://www.nsxprime.com/forum/showthread.php/213147-Urgent-Timing-Belt-Alignment-Question).

Apparently if you have an early model year car, the (EDIT: FRONT) exhaust cam pin might or will not fit properly while the pins will fit fine in the other 3 cam holes (front intake, rear 2) when the crank is at TDC. Perhaps your issue is that the crank is actually slightly rotated away from TDC, which allows the "off-center" front exhaust cam pin to fit but not the other 3? I would guess that if you moved the crank slightly clockwise that the other 3 pins would line up and the rear exhaust wouldn't anymore. Never rotate the crank CCW even slightly or without the belt installed properly in case you didn't know already.

I would say that if you can fit all the pins in at least somewhat while at #1 TDC, I would leave it at that and make quintuple sure that your timing marks line up on all 5 pulleys with the pins installed. You should not rely on the pins being slotted in to tell if you have the timing set up correctly, they are only to hold the cams close to TDC so that when you remove the belt, the cam doesn't jump front/back due to the pressure on certain lobes. If you have to, install the 3 other pins and leave the rear one off, but just know that you might have to carefully box end wrench it back into the correct timing if it jumps during the belt install since it is the last pulley in the install sequence (and follow the FSM to advance it slightly as well).

Please use Kaz's pics in the above link and match up the marks between the 4 cams and the one on the crank gear/oil pump housing, and only use the pins to hold the cams in place during the belt install and remove them for belt tensioning onwards. Hope this helps.
 
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Hi, swlabr.

Based on your previous posts, looks like you have 91 model.
It is possible that you have very early one that fall into the category of FRONT Exh cam not lining up with the hole through the holder plate.

Big McLargeHuge is referring to the rear exh cam but it's the FRONT one.


Anyway, please do not rely on the pin punch method for TB timing.
Also, I do not recommend marking the new TB based on your existing one for timing purpose.
There is no guarantee that your existing one was installed properly during the last TB service.
If the TB tension was very loose, it could jump a teeth if spun off on track with CL engaged.


Strictly speaking, if you degreeing the camshaft, you will notice slight difference between each engines but
for production engine with belt application, not a problem.

Please use the markings on each cam pulleys, the engraved marker line on the cover plates,
the arrow marking on the oil pump housing and the triangle marker on the crank drive pulley for the timing purpose.

I'll just host the same photo from the above link.

Kaz

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Thanks so much. I've searched the site for some pics like this , but didn't find them. I am a little shy of tdc . The picture of the crank sprocket confirms this. I'll pull the pins a go a little further clockwise. Thanks again. Bill
 
Apologies, Kaz is right and I've corrected my post on the front exhaust cam.

It is very easy to get this timing wrong if the crank gear isn't exactly at the TDC arrow (don't use the keyway or pulley markings) as I have experienced before. If you follow all those pics and the proper tensioning procedure (should not be able to rotate the WP pulley by hand afterwards) you should be good to go.
 
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