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The war will be over before this thread makes sense.
The war will be over before this thread makes sense. 
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Is War Worth it!?
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Some great articles to read:
Iraq’s Most Wanted
http://www.msnbc.com/news/889586.asp
A Father’s Words on Going to War
http://www.msnbc.com/news/889541.asp
The 12-Year Itch
http://www.msnbc.com/news/889490.asp
Iraq’s Most Wanted
http://www.msnbc.com/news/889586.asp
A Father’s Words on Going to War
http://www.msnbc.com/news/889541.asp
The 12-Year Itch
http://www.msnbc.com/news/889490.asp
selected paragraphs:
Iraq’s Most Wanted
Some real bad asses, who deserve to be wiped from the face of the Earth.
Iraq’s Most Wanted
Some real bad asses, who deserve to be wiped from the face of the Earth.
an image is worth a thousand words:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/1834813.jpg
WARNING - Graphic!!!!
picture of a dead tortured Kuwati man...
http://www.msnbc.com/news/1834813.jpg
WARNING - Graphic!!!!
picture of a dead tortured Kuwati man...
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I'll say this...
All the people who were saying that the inspectors should have had more time and no military action was indicated will, in a few months, look very foolish and wrong.
The lies and horrors of the Saddam regime will be laid bare and will shock the world.
It will be obvious that the problem wasn't simply WMDs, but mass murder and torture that will bring to mind what was found upon the collapse of Hitler's regime.
Just this morning the Brits stumbled across an abandoned Iraqi base that contained hundreds of executed Iraqis. And like the anal-retentive Nazis who fortunately documented everything, it appears that the Iraqi butchers took the time to take pictures and make notes on each of executed.
These atrocities would have never been discovered by the UN inspectors and even if Saddam complied with the UN resolutions, these murders would have continued unabated.
I have no doubt that history will view the liberation of Iraq in the same light as the victory in Germany in WWII.
-J
All the people who were saying that the inspectors should have had more time and no military action was indicated will, in a few months, look very foolish and wrong.
The lies and horrors of the Saddam regime will be laid bare and will shock the world.
It will be obvious that the problem wasn't simply WMDs, but mass murder and torture that will bring to mind what was found upon the collapse of Hitler's regime.
Just this morning the Brits stumbled across an abandoned Iraqi base that contained hundreds of executed Iraqis. And like the anal-retentive Nazis who fortunately documented everything, it appears that the Iraqi butchers took the time to take pictures and make notes on each of executed.
These atrocities would have never been discovered by the UN inspectors and even if Saddam complied with the UN resolutions, these murders would have continued unabated.
I have no doubt that history will view the liberation of Iraq in the same light as the victory in Germany in WWII.
-J
trial for war crimes
When the US captures saddam and his sidekicks, instead of shipping him to the international warcrimes tribunal to live in relative luxury while it takes 20yrs to prosecute him, i hope they do try this:
Drop saddam & other bad guys in the middle of a desert...far far away... and tell them what is about to happen: that a B2 bomber is about to drop a nuke on them. Vapourize 'em... they don't deserve a proper grave.
When the US captures saddam and his sidekicks, instead of shipping him to the international warcrimes tribunal to live in relative luxury while it takes 20yrs to prosecute him, i hope they do try this:
Drop saddam & other bad guys in the middle of a desert...far far away... and tell them what is about to happen: that a B2 bomber is about to drop a nuke on them. Vapourize 'em... they don't deserve a proper grave.
Holy cow, you guys are still arguing with this guy who obviously has no ability to hold coherent thoughts let alone debate!?
I came to this country from Hong Kong in 1982 with a dream: Life will be better in America. I was 18 then and later went to UC Berkeley where I was surrounded by pot and LSD-doubled fried brained hippies. For awhile I thought this country sucked. But as I grew older and perhaps wiser, my love and loyalty to this country heighten. USA is by no means flawless. We can lie down holding the bonks and criticize this place for years.( Isn't this what these brain dead hippies do all day?) However, I truly believe that this is the best country in the world, hands down. Many Americans have NO CLUE how pampered and privileged they are and in turn ABUSE their privileges. Burning flags should be a CRIME. These idiots simply abuse this "Freedom of Speech." By burning a flag, they are condeming the very origin of what gives them the "right of speech" to begin with AND the American people. Go ahead, go to China, Italy, or ANYWHERE in this world to burn their flags and see yourself shredded in pieces. It is pathetic that these people do this while being in the security, luxury, and comfort provided by what our troops are fighting for. Disgraceful indeed!
I came to this country from Hong Kong in 1982 with a dream: Life will be better in America. I was 18 then and later went to UC Berkeley where I was surrounded by pot and LSD-doubled fried brained hippies. For awhile I thought this country sucked. But as I grew older and perhaps wiser, my love and loyalty to this country heighten. USA is by no means flawless. We can lie down holding the bonks and criticize this place for years.( Isn't this what these brain dead hippies do all day?) However, I truly believe that this is the best country in the world, hands down. Many Americans have NO CLUE how pampered and privileged they are and in turn ABUSE their privileges. Burning flags should be a CRIME. These idiots simply abuse this "Freedom of Speech." By burning a flag, they are condeming the very origin of what gives them the "right of speech" to begin with AND the American people. Go ahead, go to China, Italy, or ANYWHERE in this world to burn their flags and see yourself shredded in pieces. It is pathetic that these people do this while being in the security, luxury, and comfort provided by what our troops are fighting for. Disgraceful indeed!
And seriously, this is a free country. You are here to enjoy EVERYTHING that this country gives you when you choose to. What makes this place so awesome also is that YOU ARE FREE TO PACK YOUR BAG IF YOU DON'T THINK THIS PLACE IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU! And God bless America and TRUE Americans. I will always be thankful to be allowed to live here, to get my education here, to have the opportunities to persue my dream, and many other things. I am proud to be an American citizen who has sworn loyalty to the greatest place on earth.
I pray to have our troops returned quickly and safely after liberating Iraq.
Thank you very much!
Steve
I pray to have our troops returned quickly and safely after liberating Iraq.
Thank you very much!
Steve
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whiteNSXs said:
well said, I completely agree!
Amen brother...amen.whiteNSXs said:
Looks like we've found some of the chemicals...
Posted on Sun, Apr. 06, 2003
Troops, journalists undergo cleanup for nerve gas exposure
By TOM LASSETER
Knight Ridder Newspapers
ALBU MUHAWISH, Iraq - U.S. soldiers evacuated an Iraqi military compound on Sunday after tests by a mobile laboratory confirmed evidence of sarin nerve gas. More than a dozen soldiers of the Army's 101st Airborne Division had been sent earlier for chemical weapons decontamination after they exhibited symptoms of possible exposure to nerve agents.
Posted on Sun, Apr. 06, 2003
Troops, journalists undergo cleanup for nerve gas exposure
By TOM LASSETER
Knight Ridder Newspapers
ALBU MUHAWISH, Iraq - U.S. soldiers evacuated an Iraqi military compound on Sunday after tests by a mobile laboratory confirmed evidence of sarin nerve gas. More than a dozen soldiers of the Army's 101st Airborne Division had been sent earlier for chemical weapons decontamination after they exhibited symptoms of possible exposure to nerve agents.
Jimbo said:
Believe it or not there will be in Seattle.
This city is full of the most misguided uninformed liberals. But what do you expect from a state that elected Jim "Baghdad" McDermott and Patty "bin Laden" Murray.
After all, the protesters just got their welfare checks and it is peak of the mushroom season.
idealism untempered by reality is the height of foolishness, acceptable only in the young and mentally unstable.
"Idealism untempered by reality"....... well said Huck.
There is a niche of society that is completey incapable of marrying their principles to situational context. Truely mind-boggling.
This is the same group of people (and countries for that matter) that are more fearful that the U.S. made the right decision than they are of potential consequences of their own wrongness*.
*wrongness=new English word fabricated by me.
There is a niche of society that is completey incapable of marrying their principles to situational context. Truely mind-boggling.
This is the same group of people (and countries for that matter) that are more fearful that the U.S. made the right decision than they are of potential consequences of their own wrongness*.
*wrongness=new English word fabricated by me.
Jane Fonda targets 'ignorant' Americans
Ignorant Fonda does it again...
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030410.wxrvfond/BNStory/Entertainment
Jane Fonda targets 'ignorant' Americans
The star came out at a Vancouver lecture sticking it to Americans and lauding Canadians for compassion, ALEXANDRA GILL says
By ALEXANDRA GILL
With files from Canadian Press
VANCOUVER — ''Hanoi'' Jane is back in action and she's raring to take on the U.S. government once again. Calling her fellow U.S. citizens ''ignorant,'' Jane Fonda condemned the war in Iraq while speaking in Vancouver Tuesday night.
"It's hard to imagine a happy ending to the U.S.-led war in Iraq," Fonda told a cheering, sold-out crowd at the Orpheum Theatre. "What it's going to mean for [America's] stability as a nation, for terrorism, for the economy, I can't imagine. I think the entire world is going to be united against us."
Fonda's comments, her first on the war in Iraq, were made during an appearance at the Unique Lives and Experiences lecture series. Fonda was parachuted in as a last-minute replacement for actress Marlo Thomas, who cancelled because of travel and security concerns.
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Ignorant Fonda does it again...
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030410.wxrvfond/BNStory/Entertainment
Jane Fonda targets 'ignorant' Americans
The star came out at a Vancouver lecture sticking it to Americans and lauding Canadians for compassion, ALEXANDRA GILL says
By ALEXANDRA GILL
With files from Canadian Press
VANCOUVER — ''Hanoi'' Jane is back in action and she's raring to take on the U.S. government once again. Calling her fellow U.S. citizens ''ignorant,'' Jane Fonda condemned the war in Iraq while speaking in Vancouver Tuesday night.
"It's hard to imagine a happy ending to the U.S.-led war in Iraq," Fonda told a cheering, sold-out crowd at the Orpheum Theatre. "What it's going to mean for [America's] stability as a nation, for terrorism, for the economy, I can't imagine. I think the entire world is going to be united against us."
Fonda's comments, her first on the war in Iraq, were made during an appearance at the Unique Lives and Experiences lecture series. Fonda was parachuted in as a last-minute replacement for actress Marlo Thomas, who cancelled because of travel and security concerns.
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My American ignorance says she should stay there amongst her fellow ostriches, I mean supporters.
To those of you who are too young to know. Jane Fonda was a B-movie actress who did not have much of an education. She made her fame by kissing up to the Vietnam Communists and wearing close to nothing on movies. She probably would have made a much better career in "Hooters" if the franchise existed in the 60's.
geez, thats a little harsh. She actually was from all indications in line for a pretty good career, and her vocal stance on vietnam created controversy that hurt her.
As I recall, she was REALLY over the top on her criticism of vietnam war. Beyond what could have been 'good press' for her at the time.
This 'rerun' is really sad. Different times and much different war.
Irregardless, I do respect people willing to sacrifice public opinion in order to speak their mind, whether i agree or disagree.
I'm always curious when people are arguing against this war based upon 'repercussions and reprisal'. When did 'doing the right thing' not have a price? Whether or not it is the 'right thing to do' is the question and always the most difficult to answer. Fear of repercussions is secondary. I think Jane needs to revise her argument.
As I recall, she was REALLY over the top on her criticism of vietnam war. Beyond what could have been 'good press' for her at the time.
This 'rerun' is really sad. Different times and much different war.
Irregardless, I do respect people willing to sacrifice public opinion in order to speak their mind, whether i agree or disagree.
I'm always curious when people are arguing against this war based upon 'repercussions and reprisal'. When did 'doing the right thing' not have a price? Whether or not it is the 'right thing to do' is the question and always the most difficult to answer. Fear of repercussions is secondary. I think Jane needs to revise her argument.
So where are the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq??
I realize that "Saddam has to be stopped" and all that...
but isnt the whole reason we went to topple Saddam to remove the weapons? (and of course to remove him from power... which no one seems to be grateful for: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/18/sprj.irq.arab.voices/index.html )
So where are the WMD?!
and what the hell is this? ::
"Syria, consequently, will not allow any weaponry inspection on its territory. It will, instead, actively cooperate with the rest of the world to make the Middle East a zone free from mass destruction weapons," Sharaa added.
Talk about hypocrisy... geez
So I guess Syria is next on the list to be "removed from power if they dont disarm" eh?
-Electro
I realize that "Saddam has to be stopped" and all that...
but isnt the whole reason we went to topple Saddam to remove the weapons? (and of course to remove him from power... which no one seems to be grateful for: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/18/sprj.irq.arab.voices/index.html )
So where are the WMD?!
and what the hell is this? ::
"Syria, consequently, will not allow any weaponry inspection on its territory. It will, instead, actively cooperate with the rest of the world to make the Middle East a zone free from mass destruction weapons," Sharaa added.
Talk about hypocrisy... geez
So I guess Syria is next on the list to be "removed from power if they dont disarm" eh?
-Electro
WMDs?
There are none. We did it for the oil. And to kill innocents.
Feel better?
There are none. We did it for the oil. And to kill innocents.
Feel better?
Jimbo, I thought you were done w/ this thread?
Stop wasting your time ... You obviously dont agree with me so STFU....
I'd rather have a real debate about real issues...
I'm sorry for being sarcastic in past replies... but that was not the way I started the thread. I was only responding in a way that I was being approached to my legitimate questioning of current issues. This thread was *supposed* to be a forum where we could discuss important issues and not resort to personal attacks... I figured the nsx board would be the "best" place to bring up these important issues with people that are among the mid to upper class... But with any demographic, there are exceptions... and it looks like you are one of those exceptions.
So lets just agree to disagree. I'd rather speak to someone who actually see's my questions as valid one's than anti-american statements. (which they have never been) As an American I have the right to question ANYTHING ... because if the gov't is going to use MY MONEY for tasks that I dont agree with, then I WILL question it. Do you have a problem with that? You obviously do. So again, STFU and let other's reply with *valid* arguements instead of immature personal attacks.
-Electro
Stop wasting your time ... You obviously dont agree with me so STFU....
I'd rather have a real debate about real issues...
I'm sorry for being sarcastic in past replies... but that was not the way I started the thread. I was only responding in a way that I was being approached to my legitimate questioning of current issues. This thread was *supposed* to be a forum where we could discuss important issues and not resort to personal attacks... I figured the nsx board would be the "best" place to bring up these important issues with people that are among the mid to upper class... But with any demographic, there are exceptions... and it looks like you are one of those exceptions.
So lets just agree to disagree. I'd rather speak to someone who actually see's my questions as valid one's than anti-american statements. (which they have never been) As an American I have the right to question ANYTHING ... because if the gov't is going to use MY MONEY for tasks that I dont agree with, then I WILL question it. Do you have a problem with that? You obviously do. So again, STFU and let other's reply with *valid* arguements instead of immature personal attacks.
-Electro
Personal attacks?
I made no personal attacks against you.
Boy, you're about as accurate as Baghdad Bob!
I made no personal attacks against you.
Boy, you're about as accurate as Baghdad Bob!
