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Repainting the entire NSX
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I don't know, but that's something you can get an estimate for from a body shop over the phone, assuming it's paint only and there's no body work to be repaired.
If you want it done perfectly, and you're willing to pay a little more for that, then the Last Detail in North Chicago is the place. Click here for a previous discussion, or click here for the Last Detail's website.
I had mine done at www.goinsauto.com
Just recieved its 8 th' 1st place trophy
at the 4th of July Show in Pheonix.
Call Kenyatta for a price quote.
MYNSX IN AZ
Just recieved its 8 th' 1st place trophy
at the 4th of July Show in Pheonix.
Call Kenyatta for a price quote.
MYNSX IN AZ
Redeye,
I too am curious on this as I also have a black NSX (and live about 20 minutes from you in Waterford). Are you looking to do a color change or just refinish your black? You can try Eddie at Sports Car Collision in Royal Oak. He has done some paint work on my MR2 and redid a friends black CRX (with Porsche paint!) ant it looks very good. I dont know how much a whole NSX would be but I've got to think it will start in the $4,000.00 range for a same color redo. Please private me with any info you might get, or post it on the forums, whichever you prefer.
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'91 Black/Black
I too am curious on this as I also have a black NSX (and live about 20 minutes from you in Waterford). Are you looking to do a color change or just refinish your black? You can try Eddie at Sports Car Collision in Royal Oak. He has done some paint work on my MR2 and redid a friends black CRX (with Porsche paint!) ant it looks very good. I dont know how much a whole NSX would be but I've got to think it will start in the $4,000.00 range for a same color redo. Please private me with any info you might get, or post it on the forums, whichever you prefer.
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'91 Black/Black
Would you mind telling us what it cost you?
Interesting, their site is so general as to not make it clear that they do full paint jobs. They mention detailing and minor touchup, and they mention full restoration, but not repaints as such.
That's true, it doesn't really go into their body shop services - and SJJ28 can take it up with the owner.
It's really quite a unique operation. They're the top location for climate-controlled storage in the Chicago area, and have quite a few of the most exotic cars around in their storage area for the most famous athletes and celebrities you can imagine. They offer the full range of detailing services. They buy and sell high-end exotic cars. And I know they don't say it, but they're considered by many folks to be the top auto body shop in the area. They have all the latest equipment, including the laser-measuring frame equipment and the most advanced paint equipment around.
It's really quite a unique operation. They're the top location for climate-controlled storage in the Chicago area, and have quite a few of the most exotic cars around in their storage area for the most famous athletes and celebrities you can imagine. They offer the full range of detailing services. They buy and sell high-end exotic cars. And I know they don't say it, but they're considered by many folks to be the top auto body shop in the area. They have all the latest equipment, including the laser-measuring frame equipment and the most advanced paint equipment around.
Color switches are really hard and expensive to do properly.
My suggestion for those interested in a repaint is to keep it the same color.
-Jim
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
Looking for 76-79 Honda Accords
My suggestion for those interested in a repaint is to keep it the same color.
-Jim
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
Looking for 76-79 Honda Accords
Just to add on to Jimbo's advice...
If the reason you're doing the repaint is because the finish on your car has serious problems, then go ahead and repaint it. BUT if the reason you're doing the repaint is because you want a different color car, you'd be better off selling your car and getting a similar used one in the color you want.
One of the NSX's I was looking at in Dallas had a repaint. It was done the same color (red) and by acura. The paint job cost about $4,000. Ouch!
Have you guys in Michigan ever tried AutoMetrics? There's a location on Orchard Lake/Telegraph (Bloomfield Hills/Pontiac) that does AMAZING work, and I know there are other locations through out the Metro area... Maybe you wanna give them a shout. In Illinois there is Body Werks (http://www.bodywerksauto.com/) ask for Larry C. He has does a number of show winnign paint jobs and is pretty reasonable. As for changing the color of a car, I wouldn't do it... I think the furhtest I'd go is the stock color with an aftermarket clearcoat, but even that is pushing it...just my $.02
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Matt Gold
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Matt Gold
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www.Specmo.com
has anyone had just the front air dam and say a front fender and mirrors done.my cars paint overall is in great condition except for those parts.I guess they take the worst of the road splatter but I dont want to have to do the whole car unless it cant be matched well. I hear they are difficult to paint well due to the aluminum.what would you estimate just a front touch up to cost.I have contacted several body shops in clearwater area and they all say the same thing.needs a specialist due to the aluminum..try somewhere else
David
David
4k is CHEAP! By the way, never paint an exotic unless you absolutely have no other choice due to damage.
To answer BadCarma's question..... I have my chin spoiler painted.
$5,000 for color change from silver sibring to silverstone metalic. I got the quote in NJ shop. Using German paint and clear.
When done right custom paint job bits hands down any OEM. NSX puts a lot of effort in painting the panels and puts a lots of couts. Effect is a very long lasting shiny surface, BUT it is not mirror shine. If you put a ruler next to the paint you will see it deforms a straight line. A good paint job is that you should see image reflect like in mirror. This is acomplished by block sending the clear coat with 2000 sand paper and compauning the surface. Lasting depends on what kind of paint and clear you used.
Good thing about NSX is that body panels are easly removable and I think should be painted off the car, so you will not have areas missed.
I agree with Nsxotic. NSX should be only painted after damage.
I'm doing my only becouse SUV parked on my hood and gived me 2 12inch scratches and I'm tired with silver sibring I like the silverstone metalic.
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When done right custom paint job bits hands down any OEM. NSX puts a lot of effort in painting the panels and puts a lots of couts. Effect is a very long lasting shiny surface, BUT it is not mirror shine. If you put a ruler next to the paint you will see it deforms a straight line. A good paint job is that you should see image reflect like in mirror. This is acomplished by block sending the clear coat with 2000 sand paper and compauning the surface. Lasting depends on what kind of paint and clear you used.
Good thing about NSX is that body panels are easly removable and I think should be painted off the car, so you will not have areas missed.
I agree with Nsxotic. NSX should be only painted after damage.
I'm doing my only becouse SUV parked on my hood and gived me 2 12inch scratches and I'm tired with silver sibring I like the silverstone metalic.
[This message has been edited by winreboot (edited 07 July 2002).]
Hey NetViper, can you send me a full size pic of your avatar? I'd like to use it for my wallpaper. Your car is really sweet!!
(sorry to have gone off topic here guys.
Does this include removing the motor and painting under it ?? Good news, Sebring to Silverstone is a pretty subtle color change, so it might not be too noticeable
When done right custom paint job bits hands down any OEM.
I take it you mean "beats" as in "is better than".
I think it depends on the color. Arguably true for the solid colors (black, white), except maybe red with that "tinted clearcoat" deal. The lighter metallic colors (silver, yellow, prange), I'm not so sure.
It is highly unlikely that any conventional body shop paint job can beat the paint put on at the factory. Factory paint can be baked onto the car's body panels at high temperatures, before the plastics and other components are added. Once the car is built, it's impossible to achieve the same quality of paint without dissembling and reassembling the car (and even then, it's tough to match the quality control and environmental conditions of the factory paint booths).
The Forums Nazi would suggest that you read more here.
According to Peter Kluute (owner of Legendary Motorcars) the only reason factories bake on a paint finish is to accelerate hardening, ie. so they can paint more cars faster. He has said on Dream Car Garage that there is no need to bake on a quality paint job.
Peter also thinks a $5,000.00 job would be a good paint job. $10,000.00 would be show car quality.
(and yes Ken, I understand that you said "any conventional body shop")
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'91 Black/Black
[This message has been edited by Michigan NSX (edited 08 July 2002).]
Then I guess he's not familiar with the technology used on the NSX, in which the alloys used for the body panels are actually strengthened during the paint baking process. You can read more here about the NSX paint process and additional reasons why the various individual layers of electro-coating, primer, and paint are baked. You'll note that 6 of the 27 steps in the NSX paint process consist of baking. And remember, the factory NSX finish is the best in the business. And it's better than any so-called "show car quality paint job" I've seen (and I've seen quite a few, unfortunately).
[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 08 July 2002).]
Michigan is 100% correct about the reasons for the baking process on 99% of cars. However, in the case of aluminum, like the NSX, it does do as Ken points out. 8-10k is also about right for a quality job and, by the way, I'd still be able to tell it was repainted and it still would be worth less than if it were original.
I was unaware of the processes used in the NSX. Because the only NSXs I have seen close up are mine (with 116k miles) and a brand new 2002 at the Detroit auto show, I assumed the process for the paint on the NSX was the same as for any car (with the exception of using higher quality paint). I will bow here to the knowledge of those who know way more about the NSX than me (namely nsxtasy).
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'91 Black/Black
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'91 Black/Black
No prob...
NSX paint coating technology is special because the base material is aluminum not steel. Aluminum is an impossible metal to coat with paint, unless special priming steps are taken before color is laid on the surface.
Now, a complete repaint, that does not disturb the last factory gray prime coat, can be a "better" job than the factory. Why?
The NSX has some orange peel. The orange peel effect can be eliminated.
A smoother surface, of equal or better surface "toughness" than factory, can be achieved with proper technique. Indeed, paint layers needs to be thin and wet sanded by hand. The final coat must be hand buffed to remove the sanding scratches. The surface can be made mirror smooth, if that is your goal. Though modern machines make the job less onerous, it is still a manual process and that is why it can cost 15K.
Veterans of automotive refinishing will well remember the advantages/disadvantages of lacquer/enamel during those days when these were the two paints in use. Preparation and application of material techniques to achieve show car quality have not changed much, though the coatings have changed drastically.
Now, a complete repaint, that does not disturb the last factory gray prime coat, can be a "better" job than the factory. Why?
The NSX has some orange peel. The orange peel effect can be eliminated.
A smoother surface, of equal or better surface "toughness" than factory, can be achieved with proper technique. Indeed, paint layers needs to be thin and wet sanded by hand. The final coat must be hand buffed to remove the sanding scratches. The surface can be made mirror smooth, if that is your goal. Though modern machines make the job less onerous, it is still a manual process and that is why it can cost 15K.
Veterans of automotive refinishing will well remember the advantages/disadvantages of lacquer/enamel during those days when these were the two paints in use. Preparation and application of material techniques to achieve show car quality have not changed much, though the coatings have changed drastically.
The heat treating-paint baking steps that were done by the factory (that Ken mentioned), don't have to be redone when you're repainting.
As I understand it, Honda just took advantage and killed two birds at the same time...heat treating the aluminum for strength (dent resistance) and baking the paint.
A good show quality repaint wouldn't need to do re-do the heat treating aspect.
I also agree that the aluminum primer and all the other sub-coats would still be intact and provide the substrate that they were intended for.
It should be just a matter of removing the top clear coat, applying a few additional color coats and then reapplying the clear coats per spec - and then the job should be pretty close to original.
Of course, this is all made much more complicated if you're doing a color switch, which as I mentioned before should really be avoided for a number of reasons.
-Jim
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
Looking for 76-79 Honda Accords
As I understand it, Honda just took advantage and killed two birds at the same time...heat treating the aluminum for strength (dent resistance) and baking the paint.
A good show quality repaint wouldn't need to do re-do the heat treating aspect.
I also agree that the aluminum primer and all the other sub-coats would still be intact and provide the substrate that they were intended for.
It should be just a matter of removing the top clear coat, applying a few additional color coats and then reapplying the clear coats per spec - and then the job should be pretty close to original.
Of course, this is all made much more complicated if you're doing a color switch, which as I mentioned before should really be avoided for a number of reasons.
-Jim
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
Looking for 76-79 Honda Accords
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