Where are all the Production deliveries ??

[RSO 34]

FA

the NSX pricing looks in line with the turbo s and v10 plus

the out of range high price is for the Z06

the 430 scud price looks like the best value

It's still too much for the limited seat time. The track is only 1.2 miles and even the most laps package (10) gets you a little under 12 miles total since the first lap is your out lap and the last lap is your pit in lap so you are not even getting a full 10 laps at speed. If you are "doing it right" you might get a little over 6 minutes for $549.

By comparison, at NSXPO 2016 you could have paid under $300 and had over 2 1/2 hours of track time at Sebring, a 3.7 mile track. And if you didn't want to assume all of the risk, you could have purchased an HPDE track day policy for any stated value you wanted and still paid less total than you will for 10 laps.

Sure it's fun to drive different exotic cars but I guess I am bit jaded after doing so many track days in my NSX that I don't see the appeal of a 6 minute "test drive".

 

[Bricks and Bio]

I am not pointing out the best value on earth

i was first responding to FA

i was second looking across the offerings from these folks and just giving my opinion of what deals look out of balance

i just like that you can show up to their facility and get a real sense of what these cars are about/are capable of and there is some value to that

they are running a business and they have to price toward making a profit

i also have to believe some of those cars are costly to maintain or are out of service a fair amount of the time

 

[EuroBoutique]

A 430 Scud or Stradale "was" the best value on earth if there was ever such a thing for an exotic. These cars a few years ago have slowly rose in value and right now are un-touchable for anything under $250k for clean examples.

The new NSX has a long way to go before achieving any collector worthy status. In the mean time the 2017 models will probably need some crazy lease deal from Acura to attract buyers or inevitably discount the price to sell the cars.

Even McLaren and Lambo dealers are more than willing to work out a "deal" for any car so for Acura to be unwilling to budget is silly.

 

[chrisn]

I don't think the NSX was intended to displace other "poster on the wall" fantasy cars in broader popular culture. Those "drive your dream car" places cater mainly to people who will never own a fancy sports car, which is fine. Totally different market.

In fact, even in the market for actual and potential NSX buyers, the car need not be the #1 dream car for buyers. It just has to be a car that seems like the best car for them to buy at the time of purchase. Most will have owned other fancy cars and will expect to buy others in the future.

In this market, the NSX can do fine as the "best car for you right now"--- doesn't have to be a "best ever world-beater."

I continue to be bummed that the NSX didn't come out two years earlier, with a *real* (no mandatory carbon brakes) MSRP of ~$150K and with competent marketing and customer support, but that is what it is.

 

[chrisn]

Even McLaren and Lambo dealers are more than willing to work out a "deal" for any car so for Acura to be unwilling to budget is silly.

Exactly. Thank you. We are witnessing a manufacturer and dealer network that is not familiar with this market segment, that got a bit too full of themselves and got a bit greedy with the mandatory carbon brakes and silly premiums. I think this will all get sorted out soon.

 

[docjohn]

I'm sure they could clear some inventory if they create a very low interest lease such that if you did lease it and bought it out at the end your total cost would not exceed the initial sale price ....

 

[EuroBoutique]

I'm sure they could clear some inventory if they create a very low interest lease such that if you did lease it and bought it out at the end your total cost would not exceed the initial sale price ....

+1

What kind of numbers would that look like?

Thinking if they kept the monthly around $1500 and low down payment in the $10-20k range, it would seal the deal for most people. Mileage would not be an issue for most so keep it at 5k miles per year.

 

[G.Irish]

It's still too much for the limited seat time. The track is only 1.2 miles and even the most laps package (10) gets you a little under 12 miles total since the first lap is your out lap and the last lap is your pit in lap so you are not even getting a full 10 laps at speed. If you are "doing it right" you might get a little over 6 minutes for $549.

By comparison, at NSXPO 2016 you could have paid under $300 and had over 2 1/2 hours of track time at Sebring, a 3.7 mile track. And if you didn't want to assume all of the risk, you could have purchased an HPDE track day policy for any stated value you wanted and still paid less total than you will for 10 laps.

Sure it's fun to drive different exotic cars but I guess I am bit jaded after doing so many track days in my NSX that I don't see the appeal of a 6 minute "test drive".

Obviously none of those arrive and drive deals are going to be a good value compared to taking the car you own to a track day. The point is to drive a car you don't own on a racetrack. For someone who will never own an exotic, it's a great way to have a one-off experience. For someone who is considering buying an exotic, it's a good way to sample most of the cars on the market on a racetrack. There are usually very few opportunities to drive any sort of performance car on a racetrack before buying, much less a supercar.

 

[Bricks and Bio]

G. Irish

Thank you for the clarity in your response

regarding the current inventory thing, for Acura to get a lease going, they will need to sort out some alignment issues

we believe that corporate got dragged into the program so them being proactive on establishing a customer friendly lease is optimistic

Honda's typical first love is keeping the factory running at a steady clip

if they don't make money building these cars, the motivation to put a nice lease deal out there goes down again

i am also kind of perplexed about the concept of no cars on the showroom floor (all customer orders). BMW wants their dealers to upgrade their showrooms as needed so they can display every model (I was told this by my Infiniti service rep where the owner also has a BMW store)

i have to to believe that both Acura and the dealers want an NSX on the floor to elevate their offering. The trick will be to either sell the car on the floor or get custom orders flowing in

 

[docjohn]

.it's no secret that the majority of expensive luxury /exotic car "sales' are leases....many young affluent buyers are actualy "renters"

 

[G.Irish]

.it's no secret that the majority of expensive luxury /exotic car "sales' are leases....many young affluent buyers are actualy "renters"

Well when the German manufacturers subsidize leases so heavily that you would lose more money in depreciation over 3 years than you would pay in a lease, why wouldn't the majority of people lease? It does however make me wonder if the German luxury manufacturers are running on a house of cards. I wanna say leases make up 60-70% of sales for BMW and MB, if they didn't have the finances on the backend to support that any longer...it would get ugly for them rather quickly.

 

[kendallj]

Well when the German manufacturers subsidize leases so heavily that you would lose more money in depreciation over 3 years than you would pay in a lease, why wouldn't the majority of people lease? It does however make me wonder if the German luxury manufacturers are running on a house of cards. I wanna say leases make up 60-70% of sales for BMW and MB, if they didn't have the finances on the backend to support that any longer...it would get ugly for them rather quickly.

Which is what happened in 2008....

 

[brucewinter]

171 New and Used Acura NSX for sale...new cars.com record

Hello out there, is anyone buying? I am beginning to feel like a marine...The few, proud, etc...or the Maytag repair man being very lonely (if you remember the commercial)

If you have an order or ownership, introduce yourself on the private forum.

 

[Hothonda]

Hello out there, is anyone buying? I am beginning to feel like a marine...The few, proud, etc...or the Maytag repair man being very lonely (if you remember the commercial)

W/1st Generation NSX it was the same.....Lonely (as in trouble free) & satisfying ownership experience(s) for me.

Time will tell if the new one has the excellence to survive for a 14 year run - RIP (1991 - 2005).

 

[lucky]

for me it will have to be a downstream purchase, like what i did with my 1992, 13 years ago.. I needed to wait for a bit of depreciation and buy a gently used one as its original price point was out of my range but the gently used one was not... When I can get a second gen one in 4-5 years with some depreciation, then I'll be part of the club (here's hoping) in the meantime there are 2 to drool at over at Camco here in Ottawa, a valencia pearl red and a standard Red gotta have goals
KK34

 

[DocL]

I was at Napleton Acura in Palm Beach yesterday getting service for my RLX and they have fully optioned NSX for $206k with an ADM of $20k. I was talking to a sales person and he told me it's the fourth one they've gotten. I was also told the person who placed this order backed out. My BS radar thinks otherwise. Napleton has a large network of dealers in a few states and I wonder if they've been moving cars around to different markets.

 

[Bricks and Bio]

Napleton in Chicagoland is the the dealer I was working with for over a year.

When we got closer to order time I went from working with the internet specialist to one of the managers,who was a piece of work.

I went elsewhere fast.

 

[chrisn]

.it's no secret that the majority of expensive luxury /exotic car "sales' are leases....many young affluent buyers are actualy "renters"

Anybody looking at a ~$200K car should be selecting a finance option based on after-tax total cost of ownership. People may come to different conclusions based on depreciation expectations and person liquidity/tax situation, but I hope no one is making a purchase decision on this car on affordability of monthly payments.....

The only "lease deals" that are interesting are the ones that feature aggressive (overstated) residuals (which translate into a subsidized rental plus a free option on purchase) and reflect near-zero money factor / interest rates.

 

[docjohn]

haha its always folly to discuss finances on line ,but there are plenty of young lovers rocking Lamborghini's, that only care about the monthly payments...There are "exotic" car dealers in every major city that cater to the usually single guys that have to have a fancy sports car ....and they ain't doing any profit loss analysis....reasonable adults with dependents yes we do the math...

 

[RSO 34]

New lease quote on a car that has been sitting for a while:

"Lease For Only $2,363+Tax Per Month.
(60 Months, Requires Tier 1 Credit, $40K Down, +Tax,Tag,Fees, and Inceptions. $70K Residual)"

 

[chrisn]

New lease quote on a car that has been sitting for a while:

"Lease For Only $2,363+Tax Per Month.
(60 Months, Requires Tier 1 Credit, $40K Down, +Tax,Tag,Fees, and Inceptions. $70K Residual)"

Not very attractive, IMHO. $2363 + ($40K/60 months) + tax of perhaps $10K/60 months = about $2900/month-- although $70K seems a bit conservative for residual value (seems like less than 40%).

By my math, depreciation + sales tax + cost of capital for a ~$180K MSRP car owned for 5 years is about $1600/month (assuming a 40-42% terminal value). A lease has the inherent benefit of a quasi-put option (can turn car in instead of buy it at end) and, in some states, only paying sales tax on the cap reduction and not the whole purchase price. This lease "deal" seems pretty bad in comparison.

 

[fastaussie]

Obviously none of those arrive and drive deals are going to be a good value compared to taking the car you own to a track day. The point is to drive a car you don't own on a racetrack. For someone who will never own an exotic, it's a great way to have a one-off experience. For someone who is considering buying an exotic, it's a good way to sample most of the cars on the market on a racetrack. There are usually very few opportunities to drive any sort of performance car on a racetrack before buying, much less a supercar.

exactly. well said G.

for most people a few hundred bucks to drive a Lamborghini is a once-in-a-lifetime experience and well worth it. 99% of the population will never even sit in an exotic car costing more than their house. so that's excellent value for them.

another indicator of the NSX's desirability factor is its hire price relative to the McLaren, Ferrari and Lamborghini, etc...

171 New and Used Acura NSX for sale...new cars.com record

Hello out there, is anyone buying? I am beginning to feel like a marine...The few, proud, etc...or the Maytag repair man being very lonely (if you remember the commercial)

wow...

 

[fastaussie]

should be 200 fairly soon...

 

[neuronbob]

New lease quote on a car that has been sitting for a while:

"Lease For Only $2,363+Tax Per Month.
(60 Months, Requires Tier 1 Credit, $40K Down, +Tax,Tag,Fees, and Inceptions. $70K Residual)"

What an awful deal! Does that dealer really want to unload that car?

 

[EuroBoutique]

New lease quote on a car that has been sitting for a while:

"Lease For Only $2,363+Tax Per Month.
(60 Months, Requires Tier 1 Credit, $40K Down, +Tax,Tag,Fees, and Inceptions. $70K Residual)"

That is one HORRIBLE deal - just doing quick mental math but that is nearly $250k paid out of pocket before you even factor in taxes/license if you decide to buy the car at end of 5 year lease. They must be raping you with some crazy money factor on that lease!!!!

Assuming this car had a $200k sticker you way overpaid! If the car was a $180k sticker it only gets worse LOL who the heck would take that deal?