Where are all the Production deliveries ??

[Bricks and Bio]

Sometimes I think folks are getting work up for not so much.

All of the Gen 2 owners really like their cars.

Here is another awesome picture that Brylek took yesterday.

Based on December sales numbers in the US, Acura is selling the right number monthly to hit their 800 cars per 12 months target.

It looks like the channel got overstuffed by dealers grabbing allocations and now having some eye candy.

My dealer ordered their second car (no customer) and they do not expect it till Spring. This has unearthed another odd thing going on as more that enough cars have shipped by now to put 2 cars at every dealership. I will follow up on this one during my next call with the NSX Specialists.

 

[scammy]

so how come so many listed on eBay, isn't there close to 200 listed that's a fair chunk of the 800 per year build

 

[Bricks and Bio]

That's my point about the overstuffed channel.

A lot of dealers ordered cars hoping for a phat payday and that hasn't come to fruition.

So a bunch of cars are sitting on websites to gain exposure.

At some point Acura will slow down the US allocations in favor of ex US builds and the number of cars waiting for a home will normalize.

I agree that they should have offered a lively color such as yellow and I have to believe that will be added at some point.

I asked the NSX specialist some time ago if Nord Gray will go bye bye. The model they are expecting is that colors will be added but not subtracted.

 

[Jinks]

The problem is, they trampled right over the very same fan base who kept the car alive so many years in the first place. Left discust and misstrust in their wake, and eventually will realize it when they come crawling back to original nsx owners...

By that time, we will have already moved on. It's a different world out there and Acura thinks this is 1991... I think it is funny. Here, on one hand you have smart engineers and corporate fat cats and on the other you have normal everyday people who are the driving 90% of their persective buyers. What do they do? Treat us like homeless vagrants...
Screw Acura, their days are numbered.

 

[Tom239]

Here is another awesome picture that Brylek took yesterday.

Thanks for posting that. Great pic.

 

[White92]

Screw Acura, their days are numbered.

Their days are numbered counting you as a fan/customer? Or their days are numbered as if they will go out of business? I'm pretty sure they won't go out of business because of more than expected NSX on eBay.

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[Bricks and Bio]

I get what you are saying.

I also think they wanted to move up market with the project to address R and D costs and per unit build costs for the new car.

Look at the LFA example. Lexus was selling very few cars over $80K and they drop a nearly $400K car on the market. Let alone one that was said to cost $750K in fully loaded costs per unit.

The NSX is supposed to be forward looking. The hybrid stuff is the key to that. Yes, it adds weight, takes space and adds costs. But every other company in the super car biz will be going hybrid too.

Also consider the actual use. I putt around town, get on it some during my commute and might get 1-3 track days in a year. The NSX appears to be set up to do that and last a long time, while making me happy to own it. Most of the other super cars are about being great today and also rans tomorrow. Who is excited about an F430 or a Gallardo any more?

 

[White92]

I get what you are saying.

I also think they wanted to move up market with the project to address R and D costs and per unit build costs for the new car.

Look at the LFA example. Lexus was selling very few cars over $80K and they drop a nearly $400K car on the market. Let alone one that was said to cost $750K in fully loaded costs per unit.

The NSX is supposed to be forward looking. The hybrid stuff is the key to that. Yes, it adds weight, takes space and adds costs. But every other company in the super car biz will be going hybrid too.

Also consider the actual use. I putt around town, get on it some during my commute and might get 1-3 track days in a year. The NSX appears to be set up to do that and last a long time, while making me happy to own it. Most of the other super cars are about being great today and also rans tomorrow. Who is excited about an F430 or a Gallardo any more?

Who has posted on here that actually got the new NSX and had regrets about it or didn't think the value was their with the cost? I have only seen comments like that from people that didn't buy or weren't going to buy anyway.

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[brucewinter]

Only 400 miles, most in quite mode, but a "happy camper" with the NSX


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[Jinks]

Their days are numbered counting you as a fan/customer? Or their days are numbered as if they will go out of business? I'm pretty sure they won't go out of business because of more than expected NSX on eBay.

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Dude, are you that blind.... Here we have one of our top moderators who meets directly with Acura say that the car is way overpriced? If I were Bob I would be a whole lot more angry. Here we have a man who bleeds nsx, devotes his life to the nsx, his spare time to the nsx, DEVOTES TIME TO THIS FORUM FOR FREE, and Acura can still not even cut him a deal?

You know, I read a lot of shit on Prime. The one thing that always makes me laugh, is how people turn blind eyes to the fact that the car is not the best handling car ever, it isn't the fastest car ever, it isn't easily servicable, nor is it easily upgradeable. But most people buy into that shit. Not me. I have owned it. I love it yes. But it COSTS...
My opinion. But truthfully, Acura is crumbling as a brand. Google it sometime....

 

[Bricks and Bio]

Another point is based on the recent Grand Tour episode.

James May was giddy about driving the NSX and talked about wanting to own one.

His perceptions count a bit more to me because he has driven the holy trinity, and can use his mental notes to assess the NSX against those huge dollar toys.

 

[White92]

Dude, are you that blind.... Here we have one of our top moderators who meets directly with Acura say that the car is way overpriced? If I were Bob I would be a whole lot more angry. Here we have a man who bleeds nsx, devotes his life to the nsx, his spare time to the nsx, DEVOTES TIME TO THIS FORUM FOR FREE, and Acura can still not even cut him a deal?

You know, I read a lot of shit on Prime. The one thing that always makes me laugh, is how people turn blind eyes to the fact that the car is not the best handling car ever, it isn't the fastest car ever, it isn't easily servicable, nor is it easily upgradeable. But most people buy into that shit. Not me. I have owned it. I love it yes. But it COSTS...
My opinion. But truthfully, Acura is crumbling as a brand. Google it sometime....

Nope, not blind. But I am open to my own opinion, just like you or anyone else.

Acura is not refusing to cut him a deal. Sales occur at the dealer leveI. The dealer has the right to ask what they want, just like he has the right to not buy at whatever premium they are asking. You aren't Bob, but if you want to be angry about it, I'm sure nobody would care.

I also eat, live and breathe Acura and Honda. I have my entire life. That's all my family has ever bought and owned. We've had over 40 of them among us. Are they a perfect brand? Nope, but what brand is? Are there other manufacturers out there that interest me? Sure thing. Is the NSX the fastest and best handling car out there? No. Nobody said it was. Is it worth $200k? To some maybe. Would they sell more at $100k without the hybrid equipment? Maybe.

I've been around the brand for a very long time. I even worked at the dealer level for many years. Acura and Honda has their ups and downs, but they aren't going anywhere. I can google anything. Doesn't make it gospel.

Another point is based on the recent Grand Tour episode.

James May was giddy about driving the NSX and talked about wanting to own one.

His perceptions count a bit more to me because he has driven the holy trinity, and can use his mental notes to assess the NSX against those huge dollar toys.

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[Jinks]

Who has posted on here that actually got the new NSX and had regrets about it or didn't think the value was their with the cost? I have only seen comments like that from people that didn't buy or weren't going to buy anyway.

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That is not the topic at hand you responded to. But nice try to save it. The topic you responded to is how Acura trampled over their client base and continue to treat long term customers like dog shit. Which proves my point in the fact that everyone here turns a blind eye to it....

 

[Jinks]

But to each his own... I hope every Acura owner outside of the nsx enjoys their 4 cylinder "LUXURY CAR"

 

[White92]

That is not the topic at hand you responded to. But nice try to save it. The topic you responded to is how Acura trampled over their client base and continue to treat long term customers like dog shit. Which proves my point in the fact that everyone here turns a blind eye to it....

My point is that it's a car. Nothing more. Acura decided the value of the car was XYZ. Some dealers, not all decided, they could get XYZ, plus 123. Some customers paid it. Some didn't. It's worth whatever it's worth to the seller or the buyer. Im sure some were anticipating this car coming out for years and then disappointed at the specs and price. But I don't know anyone that got upset about it. Buy it or don't, but no need to get upset about.

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[Jinks]

For the record ladies and gentlemen, I am not upset. This is a discussion forum. Of the which I pay money for, in support of it. Something white92 chooses to opt out of for some appearent reason as well as many NEW nsx owners....

At some point I have to say that after spending countless thousands of dollars on high priced plastic parts from Honda Japan, the entire way this car is being marketed, sold, over-hyped, over priced, etc is a BIG freaking deal....
But let's continue to ignore it....

 

[JD Cross]

For the record ladies and gentlemen, I am not upset. This is a discussion forum. Of the which I pay money for, in support of it. Something white92 chooses to opt out of for some apparent reason as well as many NEW NSX owners. At some point I have to say that after spending countless thousands of dollars on high priced plastic parts from Honda Japan, the entire way this car is being marketed, sold, over-hyped, over priced, etc is a BIG freaking deal....
But let's continue to ignore it....

Jinks, I'm missing the point on what has spending countless thousands on NSX parts for your first generation NSX have to do with the new NSX?

Knowing a number of the project team on the new NSX, I've found them to be very bright people who know their business.
I have faith, maybe misplaced, that there is a lot more about the new NSX that we are all still learning about, beyond magazine tests.
I also think the NSX factory is producing a very high quality car.
However I would agree Honda is still learning the ins and outs or marketing a car in the segment the new NSX is in.

I think perhaps what some are missing is these cars, NSX, R8Plus, 911TT etc. are driven at their maximum less than 5 % of the time.
The other 95 % and by far the biggest determinant of an owner's satisfaction is how the vehicle handles the other 95 %.
And I say owners because the magazine testers are all focused on the less than 5% of a cars use.

An interesting fact so far from new NSX owners is every owner likes driving around in Quiet/Sport mode.
Silent operation or minimal engine involvement, excellent mileage.
Feels like a stealth aircraft.
A benefit of the hybrid drive system but you won't read about it in the magazine tests.

 

[RSO 34]

Dude, are you that blind.... Here we have one of our top moderators who meets directly with Acura say that the car is way overpriced? If I were Bob I would be a whole lot more angry. Here we have a man who bleeds nsx, devotes his life to the nsx, his spare time to the nsx, DEVOTES TIME TO THIS FORUM FOR FREE, and Acura can still not even cut him a deal?
...

Just to be clear, I love the new NSX for what it is and am not saying it's not "worth" the price. It's just not worth it to me. If I were going to try to remake and remarket the NSX I would have done one in the $115 range and actually capitalized on the built in fan base of an "NSX". If I wanted to market a hybrid design and go after an exclusive "new" market I would have done this car and not called it an NSX.

Acura doesn't owe me "a deal" just because I am passionate about my '96 and our little community. If I wanted the 2017 at msrp I could have had one of the first ones made at msrp. If I want one now under msrp I could get one. For me, it's not that it isn't a $200k car but it really isn't an "NSX". I can still be just as passionate about my 21 year old NSX with 160k miles, 111 track days and 12,000+ track miles and pick up an E63 AMG later this spring with $100k change in my pocket as well as continue to be a vocal supporter of the brand and the NSX community (old and new).

 

[Craigy]

That's my point about the overstuffed channel.

A lot of dealers ordered cars hoping for a phat payday and that hasn't come to fruition.

So a bunch of cars are sitting on websites to gain exposure.

At some point Acura will slow down the US allocations in favor of ex US builds and the number of cars waiting for a home will normalize.

This is typical of every new high-end sports model that hits a low-end dealer. Hellcats sat with fat markups forever. GT350s and Rs. Even Porsche dealers were guilty of this with the CGT for some time, and I remember BMW dealers sitting on Z8s so many years ago. Generally speaking, the manufacturer can exert some pressure but it's the accountants who will force the dealer to revisit their inventory at the 12mo mark.

Still, one of the worst examples of this was the Ford GT which sat on dealer showrooms for years in some cases. However the GT was just two years of production before it was cancelled, while NSX will continue to be produced likely for 8-10 years. Without a doubt as cars continue rolling off the line and interest on dealer inventory accrues, the market will continue to be fully saturated and dealers will start putting real prices on these cars and moving them.

What would certainly move cars would be a price reduction by the manufacturer which would make the last year's model more expensive than the next. It's unclear if Acura would be willing to lose face on that or not, but other Japanese brands have been willing to slash prices on luxury vehicles to move more units in recent history.

As with anything, if you're willing to wait, you'll get a deal.

 

[The King]

The only price reductions that need to happen at this point are cars being offered at MSRP without a bunch of overpriced carbon ad ons, and having iron brakes available. As far as there being some cars sitting around in dealer inventory unsold, I expect some are being kept by dealer principals and remain on wholesale for a while because of the cheap rates that they have available to them. Around here new vehicles can sit in inventory for a year before they have to be paid out. Then they can be put in used vehicle inventory after that. As time goes on they can be written down as they are "demonstrators". As long as the dealer is making enough profit to need write offs, they can buy these cars personally down the road for some pretty handsome deals.

 

[Jinks]

Just to be clear, I love the new NSX for what it is and am not saying it's not "worth" the price. It's just not worth it to me. If I were going to try to remake and remarket the NSX I would have done one in the $115 range and actually capitalized on the built in fan base of an "NSX". If I wanted to market a hybrid design and go after an exclusive "new" market I would have done this car and not called it an NSX.

Acura doesn't owe me "a deal" just because I am passionate about my '96 and our little community. If I wanted the 2017 at msrp I could have had one of the first ones made at msrp. If I want one now under msrp I could get one. For me, it's not that it isn't a $200k car but it really isn't an "NSX". I can still be just as passionate about my 21 year old NSX with 160k miles, 111 track days and 12,000+ track miles and pick up an E63 AMG later this spring with $100k change in my pocket as well as continue to be a vocal supporter of the brand and the NSX community (old and new).

Well you are a trooper. There are so many car companies out there that admire loyalty and reward it. Too bad it is not Honda. I also think that it is not a 200,000 dollar car. The brakes are nice yes. For 200k you can get the 570 decked out in carbon with a striking interior that isn't plastic crap and an engine trim which doesn't overheat. Hybrid technology isn't that expensive. It can be found in cars well under 40,000 dollars. So there is that too. Of all people on earth I would have thought that you'd have a new nsx by now Bob. That tells me a lot about the car already that you do not care for it.
Also, I cannot agree more that they should have capitalized on the fan base. Unfortunately they went way left field to a specific buyer that does not even exist.

 

[RSO 34]

Well you are a trooper. There are so many car companies out there that admire loyalty and reward it.

Actually, "I" do get rewarded since my involvement as a Board member and Officer of the NSXCA puts me in contact with the powers that be at Acura here and Honda in Japan. This has enabled me to assist other members of the Club get benefits such as sponsorship monies for NSXPO and regional events, face time with Shigeru Uehara and Ted Klaus (among others), get the first rides in the new NSX at NSXPO 2015 one week before the media had access to the car, car corrals and hospitality tents set up at 6 races each year for the two seasons that Acura ran in the ALMS (at a cost of $150k per year to Acura) and other perks of being a member. To me, that is rewarding my brand loyalty because it benefits our members as a group and that is important to me. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be the longest serving Officer of the NSXCA (now in my 13th year of volunteering to do a predominantly thankless job).

As for me, I went to 5 of the ALMS races as a guest of Acura. I went to LeMans in 2008 and did hot laps on the Bugatti Circuit with the European club and hung out with the CEO of Honda of Switzerland, Claude Sage, who wined and dined us not only at the track but at Auberge des Hunaudières on the Mulsanne Straight. I have spent time on multiple occasions with Shigeru Uehara (my glovebox is signed by him) both in the States and at NSX Fiesta in Japan in 2010 where I was the only person allowed to have a camera at Honda R&D and take photos of the Refresh Center. I was the only person allowed to have a camera on Transportation Research Center property and photograph our members on the autocross, skid pad and track.

I do sincerely feel that my loyalty is appreciated and rewarded both in the USA and in Japan. Considering the fact that there are probably only around 6500 Gen 1 NSXs on the road in the States and the club has at any given time 10-15% of the owners as members, it has been made clear that Acura and Honda appreciate our little club and for me, that is a bonus to enjoying my track rat/daily driver 21-year-old underpowered but hand built and still a head-turning NSX.

 

[Jinks]

That's great Bob. I wish I had the same type of experience or anyone else for that matter. Maybe you could ask them a question for me as to why they keep discontinuing needed parts to make our old cars function or maybe you already know?

 

[RSO 34]

That's great Bob. I wish I had the same type of experience or anyone else for that matter. Maybe you could ask them a question for me as to why they keep discontinuing needed parts to make our old cars function or maybe you already know?

All parts production on cars must come to an end at some point and the NSX is now 25 years old. Uehara-san told me that they were pleasantly surprised to learn how much we drive our cars here in the USA including some members with over 300k miles. They never anticipated such usage and are pleased the cars are so durable but they never planned on replacement parts indefinitely.

Fortunately with 3D printing becoming more sophisticated we will be able to replicate parts in the not too distant future. I happen to know where there is a stash of a few hundred water pumps laying around waiting to be rebuilt as new once a certain part can be fabricated....

They were so amazed at how we drive our cars here that when I was at Suzuka speaking with a Honda exec he asked about my car and I said it is a daily driver and a train rat with street tires for daily and R compound for track. He then asked if wanted to take a car on the track and gave me the keys to his '02 Type R. I remember as I tried to fit my wide body into very narrow type R seats he leaned into the car to let me know "tires cold".

After acclimating to RHD during a recon lap I pushed it a while, brought it back to the pits, climbed out with a huge smile and handed him the keys with a big thank you and a simple "tires hot now"......

 

[White92]

Great story!!!

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