Pretty much all the other luxury/premium brands have a performance line. Cadillac V series, BMW Motorsport, Audi S-Line, M-B AMG, etc. All Acura has had in recent years was the Type-S. Which was what...a slight bump in horsepower and maybe braking but otherwise just cosmetic bits. Sold well, but I can't help but imagine how much more good would have been done for the brand if we had legitimate competition for Audi's S4 with a proper TL-S. Well. Type-S is coming back. Not just for the TLX, but for everything. They say a twin turbo V6 is in the cards. I hope they're right and they finally want to be a player in the market.
They can start by having a RWD platform to then build a proper sport sedan off of.
Does anyone here even know how to haggle? Or does everyone just eat shit and pay msrp while making a car dealer thousands off of words?
Before I even got a chance to haggle last month when attempting to purchase a MDX AWD w/Tech, we were so far apart on prices that there was no haggling necessary.
Me: "This is the end of the year, let's see what kind of a blowout price you can offer..."
Sales mgr: "Your price is invoice (48,000 on a 51,000)"
Me {laughing to self, in total disbelief}: "$50K cars don't have only a $3000 markup"
Him: "I can show you the invoice"
Me: "Invoices are bullshit, and only show 20% of the picture, whereas they used to - before the proliferation of car pricing on the 'net - tell one more than half the 'story' "
Same thing at a Cadillac dealer:
Salesman: "The car industry has changed. It's moved to a one price business like Carmax. I can move a few hundred {on brand new $51,000 XT5}, but a few thousand? I just don't have that kind of profit. I used to be a general manager at so-and-so, and the whole car buying business has changed."
Me {dumbfounded, thinking to self : "are these salespeople/managers this stupid, or are they just bad liars?"} "That's impossible. From a business standpoint a $50,000 product does not have the same gross profit as a $6500 TV. Goodbye."
Some here might be impressed (sort of) by a 5% discount on a $200K NSX; I'd say that's a drop in the bucket compared to a real discount. (e.g. was at Lambo dealer just looking around in late 90s, and salesman mentioned around $70,000 off on new Diablo roadster. Sticker of car was high 200s, IIRC.)
Currently, new Accords and Camrys are good buys with 18 to 20% off, and 20 + % off, respectively. Both brand new '17s. Five thousand on a $26K Accord, yet $3000 off on a twice as expensive, but built-on-the-same-platform MDX? Thanks, but no thanks.