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NSX is one of the worst handling cars ever.
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I don't know who ANDY V is. Please explain.MiamieNeSeX said:
Thanks,
Patrick
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SugrueNSX said:
Yesssss.... something tells me "NSX is one of the worst handling cars ever" is probably not the best way to go about it.
You got your attention - enjoy it.
SexyNsx said:
you are one funny charachter comon you know how I feel about salvaged NSXs im taking that personal. why did you have to go there? Go get those rock chips repainted off that 425rwhp machine will you?
I know this thread is getting more and more imature but its also getting funnier by the minute
ski_banker said:
I agree at least now we have a thred for nonsence and all other non-relality based subjects
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The problem with your statement is its your opinion with no facts. As you know, good handling will depends on may items. Weight,Tires,Suspension,Shocks...ect...ect.. So making such a poor statement in this forum shows your lack of knowledge.
Can the Nsx be a poor handling car...yes it can ....if your car has bad tires for example...or shocks which are 10 years old.....you get my point. Since no one gave a point of reference for handling...look below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_handling
The Correct post name: Sugrue NSX is one of the worst handling cars ever.
Can the Nsx be a poor handling car...yes it can ....if your car has bad tires for example...or shocks which are 10 years old.....you get my point. Since no one gave a point of reference for handling...look below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_handling
The Correct post name: Sugrue NSX is one of the worst handling cars ever.
I am happy to see those who actually want to help this guy since his thread is a terrorist attack. I still contend that my belly button lint is more interesting. But in the end, if you don't like to drive an NSX then find something else and be done with it. If you want to learn how to drive one, go get some help and spend time on the track.
It aint the car, it is you. Any car can suck and any car can be great in the hands of a schooled driver. If you are looking for a car with training wheels then look elsewhere. All cars have their limits as do all drivers. Don't blame the car because you understand neither the cars limits or your own and with your attitude you will never discover either of them since this cannot be resolved with words but actions only.......Steve
It aint the car, it is you. Any car can suck and any car can be great in the hands of a schooled driver. If you are looking for a car with training wheels then look elsewhere. All cars have their limits as do all drivers. Don't blame the car because you understand neither the cars limits or your own and with your attitude you will never discover either of them since this cannot be resolved with words but actions only.......Steve
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jond said:
I had an experience swapping ends in the rain a couple weeks ago.
Came around quite quickly.
Thankfully, it was on a runway autox track.
Still, it was a good heads-up for driving on the street.
here are some great pointers. from great drivers on closed professional courses. please take notes I think there was actually a renault 5 turbo
After watching this video true enlightment will be fulfilled and this thread will make sence
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SVloL0jIYhc&mode=related&search=
i think your NSX still handels better than these p-cars
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h_Zhrk2I4Ic&mode=related&search=
that is one tough turn
this one is great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vib0D_d2eco&mode=related&search=
After watching this video true enlightment will be fulfilled and this thread will make sence
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SVloL0jIYhc&mode=related&search=
i think your NSX still handels better than these p-cars
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h_Zhrk2I4Ic&mode=related&search=
that is one tough turn
this one is great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vib0D_d2eco&mode=related&search=
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zahntech said:
I knew that my original statement would get a reaction but I thought a few more people would agree with me once I qualified it.
I find it an enjoyable challenge to sway people to my point of view.
Regards,
Patrick
SugrueNSX said:
Hey Patrick...
Wow, I go to sleep and wake up 8 hours later and you have serial killers after you! Ecstasy please people... take one and pass them on...
From your last paragraph, I know where you are coming from now! The higher performance and better handling the vehicle, the harder they are to control at the absolute limit!
You are exactly right! (putting bullet proof vest and flame suit on...) from a certain perspective. We see proof of this quite often! Ferrari Enzo's, Carrera GT's and Lambo's loosing control and writing off their vehicles are becoming more and more common as the performance and handling limit is being increased with each new super car!
The conflict in this thread is with the definition of handling... See, I would say that the handling is so good on my NSX that I actually look like a hero driving my NSX on the track! I have seen a 700 hp Nissan GTR Skyline literally slide off the track taking a corner at almost the same speed as me! I looked like I was a brilliant driver when in fact I hadn't even reached the limit in my car at that stage!
The set-up of the car is very important as well. A novice driver should set the car up for more under steer and progressively dial it out as they learn how to control the car at the limit.
Yes super cars are difficult to handle at their limit! And you must always respect that and (I believe) have a responsibility to learn to control your car at its limit!.
I can say now that I have my car set-up quite well in that I have initial under steer on turn in and till the apex of a corner and after I hit the apex I can throttle steer (over steer) the car on the exit... To me, this transition is as slow and predictable as my old '74 ford escort! But I am talking about track driving... I very rarely get anywhere near the limit on the road!
You too can get the NSX or any high performance car to "handle" like an old '74 Ford Escort... :wink:
All it takes is practice and you can NEVER do enough HPDE days!
SugrueNSX said:
No.
That's the major difficulty of this thread. The word "handling" can be related to a picture. It will be interpreted many different ways. In the minds of most posters in here, "handling" refers to how well a car can turn fast and the response it gives back (etc.).
The way the original poster is interpreting the same word is this way: Handling is the amount of ease or difficulty to control a car from breaking traction at its total limit. The origianl poster refers to perfomance around a corner in relation to the way most posters in this thread refer to "handling." He then refers to "handling" as something along the lines of the ease of controlling the car after exceeding the limit.
Yes, the OP looked like he just wanted to stir things up a bit in this forum, but i enjoyed the diverse understanding & meaning of the word handling and its debate here. This, for me, has been one of the more entertaining threads lately. It also gives me a sense of caution when debating something where one word has often understood a certain way. :smile:
The way the original poster is interpreting the same word is this way: Handling is the amount of ease or difficulty to control a car from breaking traction at its total limit. The origianl poster refers to perfomance around a corner in relation to the way most posters in this thread refer to "handling." He then refers to "handling" as something along the lines of the ease of controlling the car after exceeding the limit.
Yes, the OP looked like he just wanted to stir things up a bit in this forum, but i enjoyed the diverse understanding & meaning of the word handling and its debate here. This, for me, has been one of the more entertaining threads lately. It also gives me a sense of caution when debating something where one word has often understood a certain way. :smile:
AU_NSX said:
I agree with everything you are saying.
Thanks for taking the time to read and understand my point of view.
And special thanks for having the balls to say so.
Regards,
Patrick
FrEsHaZzBuRu said:
I agree with you.
I’m so glad that you enjoyed the thread.
Regards,
Patrick
I made that statement to note that handling is not a quantifiable, objective, measurable characteristic (the way acceleration is), but rather is subjective by nature. Please do not use that quote to imply that I agree with anything you have posted in this topic, because I do not. You are welcome to your opinion. However, in forming it - if, in fact, you are serious in what you have posted here (which I rather doubt) - I think you must be using an entirely different definition of the word handling than what the rest of the world uses. I think Bob Kenney defined it very well in his post above. And IMHO, the NSX handles better (i.e. more predictably, according to Bob's definition) than almost any other car when compared at the same speed and conditions.SugrueNSX said:
Patrick...I understand what you are saying about "Handling"...however in my experience the NSX is far easier to regain control of in a past the limits situation than the 901/911 Pcars.....I have driven many 911s and every one felt like it was totally on rails until it was going backwards .2 seconds later...the amount of weight hanging behind the rear axle on the 911 makes it pretty obvious why the 911 is the car most likely to be rear ended by a tree......so NO ...the NSX is not the worst handling car ever the 911 is far worse:smile:
gtr said:
:wink: :biggrin: (I got the joke)
I think, applying your logic, that guns are so much more effective at killing people, but also can be very dangerous. Therefore we should equip all of our troops with paintball guns (and of course protective eyewear for the insurgents):wink:
SugrueNSX said:
So why didn't you say that in the first place ? But Noooooooo, you knew what you were doing - you were intentionally starting this free-for-all.
So why do you have a problem with so many that are calling you an idiot ? You are merely THEIR definition of an "idiot" - so why are YOU getting offended ?
:biggrin: :biggrin:
zahntech said:
If you look at the title. I only said it's one of the worst.
I am somewhat notorious at the Subaru club in these parts as the guy who over took an STI in the lead pack in a black 911 on a rather tricky curve going backwards so I know what you are talking about.
Regards,
Patrick
nsxtasy said:
I only used your quote to try to argue the side issue that came up. “Handling is subjective?” I am sorry if it appeared that I was suggesting that you were in support of my original statement.
In hindsight I should have probably asked permission to use your quote in this context.
But I was quite busy yesterday keeping up with this thread.
Respectfully yours,
Patrick
nsxtasy said:
Ah that is the whole crux of the matter right there “when compared at the same speed and conditions”
Which is why you put it in bold I guess.
But the only way to ascertain how a car "handles", to see if it over steers or under steers. Is to take it very close to the limit. Is that not true?
Regards,
Patrick
No. You measure handling as "how it handles very close to the limit, regardless of where that limit occurs". The rest of the world measures handling as "how it handles at a given speed". By your definition, a wheelchair has better handling than an NSX, because a wheelchair has better handling at 2 mph than an NSX does at 150 mph. Most people would call that a bogus comparison.SugrueNSX said:
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