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DIY Console repairs

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For those of you who have the bubbled/rippled finish on the 'painted' area of your center console or door panels and have wondered what it would take to fix it, here's my 'do-it-yourself' experience with correcting it I just wanted to go on record with some details of what it took to do this because it wasn't mentioned anywhere else to my knowledge. I originally posted some of this as a reply to a question in the General discussion section but it really belongs here. I've also added some comments now that it has been painted and put back in the car.

Having gone through the whole repair experience, I'm still not sure what causes the bubbling in the first place. My car was originally a California car and then Arizona so I presume it was from the heat. There was a post several months ago from someone who said they had removed it and had repainted the plastic underneath so last week I finally got around to trying it myself.

BTW, there are some excellent posts on Prime about how to remove the console and it actually went fairly easily except for the absence of any instructions on how to remove the cell phone controls where the coin tray otherwise is. The upper section has four plastic posts which are pressed into the lower section and you can force them back one at a time until the two sections separate.

Speaking from experience, I discovered that the main console bezel is (as previously reported) made of plastic. It has a fairly thick metallic foil bonded to it which has that dark grey color on one side. I can't tell if the color was painted on or whether it is somehow part of the foil but once it's bubbled, you can't re-paint it anyway.

Before removing the foil, I tried a heat gun on it to see if I could get it to flatten out so I wouldn't have to remove it. This seemed to temporarily remove some of the bubbled look but it wouldn't stay flat so I resolved myself to the work of removing it all.

After poking away at the bubbled parts with an exacto knife and lifting small sections, it appeared to not have any glue backing so I started pulling it off like wallpaper. To make a long story short, some of it came off easily but most was a bitch, especially the compound curves in the recessed area under the parking brake.

I had the most luck by cutting through the foil layer and into the plastic but doing it on either the side edges or from the back where you wouldn't see the cut. Then using the knife blade, you can pick away at the foil edge along a cut line until you can get a large piece to separate so you can peel it back and toward one of the openings where you'll eventually be able to tear it off.

On the compound curves, I resorted to a finely sharpened u-shaped wood carving tool .. I don't know how else I would have done it. I never went back to trying the heat gun to see if that would help but I don't think it would because they don't seem to have used glue anywhere .. it must have been pressure formed although there may have been heat as well because there looks to be areas along the edge where the plastic has been fused to the foil.

It took me about 3-4 hours and although there are a couple of small areas that I later went over with fine sandpaper, the majority of it is very smooth and ready for paint. I forgot to mention that rather than trying to also peel the foil off the ashtray, I just removed the cover and left it as is.

I contacted the local licensee of what I think is an international company, Fibrenew (www.fibrenew.com), who specializes in painting interior auto trim. After seeing it, he said that the console is mostly ABS plastic and wouldn't be a problem to paint (some newer plastics are polypropelene which can cause problems in the heat with some of the oils coming out of the plastic). Anyway, they have the ability to color match and the color (which he said is more of a dye than paint) is airbrushed on. I think most of their business is with touching up or re-doing interiors and they seemed extremely knowledgable so I'm expecting the repair to be more permanent/durable that if I had just experimented with some spray paint.

The only thing I'm worrying about is that if Acura felt it was necessary to go with the metallic foil approach, I presume that was for durability and scratch resistance which you don't get by just painting .. especially since it wasn't some kind of super-hard enamel or something .. although since it's plastic, you need something that will flex a little without cracking.

Total cost - $40 Cdn (about $28US). Sorry .. no photos because I don't have a digital camera. While the console was being painted, I also had time to clear the little climate control sensor to the lower right of the ashtray. The good news is that even when this little gizmo is disconnected, the air conditioner still pumps out cold air.
 
Hi Ian,
you mentioned that you can't repaint the foil ("once it's bubbled, you can't re-paint it anyway"). Can you elaborate? Does paint not stick to the foil?
Do you think it would be possible to just sand down the bad area and repaint the whole console?
I'm thinking of re-doing my console (not because of bubbling, although I do have some, but because of cracks), and was thinking that a plastic paint such as Krylon's Fusion may work.
I used Fusion to paint my coolant bottle and it came out real nice.
BTW, thanks for the write-up........ please post some pics if you ever get a digicam :)
--Scott
 
SF944 said:
Hi Ian,
you mentioned that you can't repaint the foil ("once it's bubbled, you can't re-paint it anyway"). Can you elaborate?
What I meant was that once the finish on the console is bubbled, there's no point in just re-painting it as is because it will still be bubbled and look like crap. Mine didn't need painting .. it needed the bubbles removed .. which can only be done by removing the foil surface.

Do you think it would be possible to just sand down the bad area and repaint the whole console?
No, because what has bubbled is not the paint but the underlying foil base so sanding will only take the paint off the bubble and not get rid of it. If you actually managed to sand thru the foil, I think you'd have difficulty getting the repainted area smooth ..the foil would keep it from being flush.
I'm thinking that a plastic paint such as Krylon's Fusion may work.
once you get the foil off, Fusion might work. first check to see if it works on ABS. I don't know if the coolant bottle is ABS
 
NSX2398 said:
Do you think it would be possible to just sand down the bad area and repaint the whole console?

No, because what has bubbled is not the paint but the underlying foil base so sanding will only take the paint off the bubble and not get rid of it. If you actually managed to sand thru the foil, I think you'd have difficulty getting the repainted area smooth ..the foil would keep it from being flush.
Actually, answer is not quite correct - the foil is very thin; it is possible to sand right through the foil & create a feather edge between the plastic & foil, then if neccesary apply some fine surface scratch filler & resand then paint.
The foil is not really that bad to remove - I removed all the foil above the ash tray (by sanding) for a console glass project to adapt a single din head unit (rather than try to bond the 'glass to the foil). In this case, this left a fairly minor feather edge on the narrow pieces at each side of the ash-tray - they didn't even need any filler to smooth the transition. You will find as you sand it there are actually two parts to the foil - there is a sliver colour on top, then a copper colour below - you can create the feather between the three layers (plastic, copper, silver) for a smooth transition. After using 220 grit or so to remove the foil from the bad area, work with progressively finer paper to get your taper edge to where it won't show through the paint. Again, if you are just removing an island, rather than leaving a single edge, you may want to use some scratch filler Then just prime & wet-sand with fine grade (800) & finish paint with automotive spray can of your colour choice.
 
OK .. I stand corrected on the sanding assumptions. I don't have much experience with sanding automotive things or prepping for paint so I'll defer to you, since it sounds like you've had first hand experience. However, for those less experienced with sanding and filling, I think I'd still recommend removing the foil by peeling it off but based on your comments, I might have used sandpaper instead of the woodworking gouge for the difficult area around the AC sensor vent. I wish we'd had this discussion a month ago.
 
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