I DARE you to recommend a good tire to me!

The Goodyear GS-D3 is a tire that's capabilities can only be exceeded on a track. If you are at the limits of even a budget performance tire on the street than you are probably driving dangerously.

so.... is pushing the RE-010's way past their limit on the street dangerous? :wink:
 
Tires are the only part of your car that touches the ground. Tires are also safety equipment.

If your head is worth $5, get a $5 helmet. -same for tires, never skimp on tires.

No matter how good your suspension, brakes, power, etc... you car has, it is nothing without good tires. I do not agree with many previous posts about economy tires being adequate for an NSX.

If you haveto avoid a crash, incident, driving in the rain, etc... An economy tire will not give you the performance/grip needed that a more expensive, better designed tire does.

My NSX came with crappy Khumo Supras and I was disgusted, ive even seen an NSX on "continental radials" (whatever the heck those are)

If you value your car at $50, get a $50 tire.

As for me, i'm getting the best helmet/tire possible. What are you worth?



edit: 315 PS2s aren't enough for some cars ;) -"That's right, i'm dangerous......Ice....Man..."
 
Southern California? Why not get a set of the Azenis 615's, they are better than the goodyears in all aspects in the dry, not as good in the wet. They will wear faster but thats what you have to compromise for the best dry traction possible. Plus they are about 40% less cost allowing you to get almost two sets to one.... I have them and I think they are faaaaaaaaaantastic.

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Southern California? Why not get a set of the Azenis 615's, they are better than the goodyears in all aspects in the dry, not as good in the wet. They will wear faster but thats what you have to compromise for the best dry traction possible. Plus they are about 40% less cost allowing you to get almost two sets to one.... I have them and I think they are faaaaaaaaaantastic.

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Falken Azenis RT-615 are very good for the price. I had them on my S2k and got about 8500 miles out of them but that including autocross and one track day.
Once warmed up they grip pretty good.
Can't give impression on the NSX since my current tires (Falken 415's) have good tread left. But when I get my new rims I am going to slap on some 615's

As for wet handling as long as you don't drive like an ass in the rain the tires are pretty stable.
 
Southern California? Why not get a set of the Azenis 615's, they are better than the goodyears in all aspects in the dry, not as good in the wet. They will wear faster but thats what you have to compromise for the best dry traction possible. Plus they are about 40% less cost allowing you to get almost two sets to one.... I have them and I think they are faaaaaaaaaantastic.

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I run Falken Azenis RT-615 full-time in San Diego just because I'm lazy. I do the occasional auto-x event and an HPDE every month or two.

These tires have amazing grip, especially when hot. They are cheaper but they wear very, very quickly. Most don't see more than 3K miles from them. Thinking of it in terms of $/lifespan the GS-D3 are a much, much better value. And since one will never realize the potential of the Azenis unless on a track I would definitely steer clear of them if they aren't making frequent auto-x or track trips.

I also never drive the NSX in the rain. I have been caught in the rain maybe twice with the Azenis and it was a little scary. I would not drive them in any kind of wet weather. Also, I think they're a little noisy.

They are essentially R-comps for the street (R-comp-lite :biggrin: ) and should be driven as such. They will last longer than R-comps and at least you can make it home in the rain with the Azenis.

But seeing as how the OP is planning on exclusively street driving I would not recommend the Azenis. I would personally recommend the GS-D3 or if cost is really an issue a budget performance tire like the Kumho MX, Yoko ES100 or G-Force. I would not recommend the Toyo T1-R as it is inferior overall to the GS-D3 but about the same price.
 
Falken Azenis RT-615 are very good for the price. I had them on my S2k and got about 8500 miles out of them but that including autocross and one track day.
Once warmed up they grip pretty good.
Can't give impression on the NSX since my current tires (Falken 415's) have good tread left. But when I get my new rims I am going to slap on some 615's

As for wet handling as long as you don't drive like an ass in the rain the tires are pretty stable.

yes, they are pretty decent in the rain. Its not a race tire for the rain, but far from something you have to worry about if you get caught in the rain. If its sunny... well.... nothing this side of an R compound tire is better.
 
yes, they are pretty decent in the rain. Its not a race tire for the rain, but far from something you have to worry about if you get caught in the rain. If its sunny... well.... nothing this side of an R compound tire is better.

I disagree...I've had a very bad experience with these tires in the rain. I would not feel comfortable driving anything but cautiously in the wet with these. Maybe my roads are just worse...:smile:

JMO.

G
 
I run Falken Azenis RT-615 full-time in San Diego just because I'm lazy. I do the occasional auto-x event and an HPDE every month or two.

These tires have amazing grip, especially when hot. They are cheaper but they wear very, very quickly. Most don't see more than 3K miles from them. Thinking of it in terms of $/lifespan the GS-D3 are a much, much better value. And since one will never realize the potential of the Azenis unless on a track I would definitely steer clear of them if they aren't making frequent auto-x or track trips.

I also never drive the NSX in the rain. I have been caught in the rain maybe twice with the Azenis and it was a little scary. I would not drive them in any kind of wet weather. Also, I think they're a little noisy.

They are essentially R-comps for the street (R-comp-lite :biggrin: ) and should be driven as such. They will last longer than R-comps and at least you can make it home in the rain with the Azenis.

But seeing as how the OP is planning on exclusively street driving I would not recommend the Azenis. I would personally recommend the GS-D3 or if cost is really an issue a budget performance tire like the Kumho MX, Yoko ES100 or G-Force. I would not recommend the Toyo T1-R as it is inferior overall to the GS-D3 but about the same price.


Sorry I have to disagree with some of this. You know I think there was an older Azenis 615, perhaps that's the one you had? I certianly hear NO NOISE from these. Not when cruising, and not when they are slipping. No screech, no drone on the highway, nothing.... to me its one of the quietest tires I have experienced. Also... I have been in the rain several times with them... your word of "scary" definitely does not apply unless they are just worn out... I can see how they would be scary then.

I have probably 1000 miles on them now, and notice NO WEAR. For comparison, my factory tires were gone at 3600 miles. So if I get 3K with these, I am happy. They are close to 1/2 the price of the eagle, I don't think the eagle will last twice as long. The D3 is a great tire and one I would get if my NSX was a daily driver. But for my purposes, wanting the best handling and the SHORTEST stopping distance, the 615 is ahead of the D3.
 
I disagree...I've had a very bad experience with these tires in the rain. I would not feel comfortable driving anything but cautiously in the wet with these. Maybe my roads are just worse...:smile:

JMO.

G

maybe yours were somewhat worn? I can see how this tire when worn would practicaly be a slick.
 
Also, I think they're a little noisy.
I haven't noticed this.

They are essentially R-comps for the street (R-comp-lite :biggrin: ) and should be driven as such.
I disagree. R-comp tires generally don't work well not warmed up. The 615s do just fine in temps one experiences in normal street driving - which is one readon why many auto-x-ers like them. Actually, I think they do better in this respect than the OEM Yokos - which were slippery for me on several occasions in cold weather...which I have yet to experience with these.

But seeing as how the OP is planning on exclusively street driving I would not recommend the Azenis. I would personally recommend the GS-D3 or if cost is really an issue a budget performance tire like the Kumho MX, Yoko ES100 or G-Force.
You have a point there about JUST street driving, especially if it includes rain...where the GS-D3 would likely be a better (albeit more expensive) fit. If you're going to recommend a G-Force tire, you should probably specify which one (T/A KD; T/A KDW; T/A KDW2; Sport; R1; etc). Given your "budget tire" description you're probably talking about T/A KDW2 (T/A KD would be much more like the 615 - sticky dry and not the best in rain, and I've heard "sport" is crappy).
 
Sorry I have to disagree with some of this. You know I think there was an older Azenis 615, perhaps that's the one you had? I certianly hear NO NOISE from these. Not when cruising, and not when they are slipping. No screech, no drone on the highway, nothing.... to me its one of the quietest tires I have experienced. Also... I have been in the rain several times with them... your word of "scary" definitely does not apply unless they are just worn out... I can see how they would be scary then.

I have probably 1000 miles on them now, and notice NO WEAR. For comparison, my factory tires were gone at 3600 miles. So if I get 3K with these, I am happy. They are close to 1/2 the price of the eagle, I don't think the eagle will last twice as long. The D3 is a great tire and one I would get if my NSX was a daily driver. But for my purposes, wanting the best handling and the SHORTEST stopping distance, the 615 is ahead of the D3.

Mabye you should wait until you have maybe 4-5 thousand miles on them (or more) before saying they are the greatest thing ever. The goodyears are getting praised for a reason.
 
...They are close to 1/2 the price of the eagle, I don't think the eagle will last twice as long...

Dave,

Since I'm in the market for tires just like these (615 & GS-D3), I tried to find a price comparison online and could only find one place that 1) carried both RT-615 and GS-D3 and 2) carried the same size. I could only find the 265/35-18 at Discount Tire. (I also tried Tirerack, Just Tires, Vulcan Tires, and treadepot.com.)

RT-615 -
265/35R-18 93W: $246

GS-D3 -
265/35ZR18 XL 97Y: $274

Where did you find the RT-615 for about half the price?
 
Dave,

Since I'm in the market for tires just like these (615 & GS-D3), I tried to find a price comparison online and could only find one place that 1) carried both RT-615 and GS-D3 and 2) carried the same size. I could only find the 265/35-18 at Discount Tire. (I also tried Tirerack, Just Tires, Vulcan Tires, and treadepot.com.)

RT-615 -
265/35R-18 93W: $246

GS-D3 -
265/35ZR18 XL 97Y: $274

Where did you find the RT-615 for about half the price?

Steve, those arent the sizes I checked. I bought my 615's from Vulcan and in the stock size I remember there was quite a price difference. I think the eagle has dropped a bit in price since it first came out? the 615 in the stock 17" size for my car through vulcan was cheap. I think around $500 for all 4! Anyway I didn't get them to save money. I would be fine if they cost 2K. I bought them because after swinging the tail end of my NSX around a couple of times due to my lack of mid-engine driving skills, I wanted the shortest stopping distance before I did damage to the car. I am almost certain a 70-0 stop will yield quite different numbers between the 615 and the D3.
 
Mabye you should wait until you have maybe 4-5 thousand miles on them (or more) before saying they are the greatest thing ever. The goodyears are getting praised for a reason.

They are the greatest thing EVER!!!!! lol... :biggrin: 4-5K might take me another 2 years John! hey I never said the D3 was not a great tire. I am just saying if you live in L.A., you may want to consider the RT-615. If I drove my car on other than sunny afternoons, I might have gotten the Eagles.
 
Falken 615s are very grippy tires... I just don't think it fits the bill of the OP.

He has a DD, which means he will need decent wear. Thats not the 615. Great grip and go Fast it sure will though.

I would have to ask the OP whats more important... wear and DD characteristics, or the go fast part.

My first reaction would be Goodyear Eagle F1s. If you like OEM, but want it to last longer in a greater range... then that would be my choice.

If you say you need greater wear characteristics, and get into the Budget tires, the Hankooks would not be on my list. Instead, I would say BF Goodrich g-Force Sport (slighty better overall minus wet traction is average) or Kumho ECSTA SPT (which will be discontinuing the 215/40/17, so if you do have a road hazard, might not be able to match it again...)

The Cheap solution will run you about $500, while the Goodyear solution runs you $820. $500 scenario has last me about 15,000 miles on the rear, while the Goodyears last me 10,000 mils on the rear. The Falken 615s didn't even get me 6,000 :)

Overall, I am currently using Toyo Proxes 4 (I know All-Season tires... :eek ) during the winter since I drive it through the year, and I use Toyo T1Rs during the summer because Goodyears don't have my size. Otherwise, Goodyears would be my choice!
 
I disagree. R-comp tires generally don't work well not warmed up. The 615s do just fine in temps one experiences in normal street driving - which is one readon why many auto-x-ers like them. Actually, I think they do better in this respect than the OEM Yokos - which were slippery for me on several occasions in cold weather...which I have yet to experience with these.

I never argued that. However the Azenis won't offer that much more performance than a GS-D3 unless they're hot. Same with an R-comp. It's not that the Azenis work particularly well when cold and are preferred for Auto-X for that reason; the Azenis are simply an overall grippier tire in all dry conditions. Any serious Auto-Xer will be using R-comps.

Also, not that the Azenis are really noisy but they aren't as quiet as the GS-D3. And my Azenis were not worn and were indeed the RT-615. They wear very quickly. I highly doubt anyone with an alignment in spec will get more than 5000 miles out of the rears even with the most gentle of driving styles. Many owners are reporting up to 20K miles for the rear GS-D3s however.
 
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The 615's at Vulcan are:
215/40R17 87W $98
265/35R18 97W $219
Vulcan does not carry the GS-D3.

The 615's at Discount tires:
215/40R17 87W $130
265/35R18 97W $246

The GS-D3's at Discount tires:
215/40ZR17 93W (not listed)
265/35ZR18 97Y $274

The GS-D3's at Tire Rack:
215/40ZR17 93W $152
265/35ZR18 97Y $264
Tire Rack does not carry Avenis 615.

The GS-D3's at Treadepot:
215/40ZR17 83Y $141 (83Y must be a typo)
265/35ZR18 97Y $260
Treadepot does not carry Avenis 615.
 
Am i the only one with RE040 HO's :frown: .? I don't drive it in the rain but they seem to be very sticky for the dry.
 
Am i the only one with RE040 HO's :frown: .? I don't drive it in the rain but they seem to be very sticky for the dry.

I had those previous to my Goodyears and they (RE's) would break away much easier and they squealed like a pig. My experience has only been AutoX's and spirited street driving.

RE040- Dead after 6500 miles
Goodyears- Still looking new after 4500 miles (yep, rears too)

On a supercharged NSX that is driven.......
 
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