Damn it make me sick to read about this...I would have to do a few shots after seeing that...
Maybe time to go for a pearl white NSX-R clone...
Maybe time to go for a pearl white NSX-R clone...
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Sand Blasted My NSX - Advice Needed
- Thread starter MANIACura
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agree, the stupidity of some people is amazing-
no matter how you look at this situation, you will probably have to repaint the entire car- even with correct shade match there will be a visible difference if you try to paint only the affected surfaces. make sure you find the best paint shop you can that will disassemble the car for paint and stick the insurance with the bill, along with a bill for depreciated value if you car was all original and perfect.
no matter how you look at this situation, you will probably have to repaint the entire car- even with correct shade match there will be a visible difference if you try to paint only the affected surfaces. make sure you find the best paint shop you can that will disassemble the car for paint and stick the insurance with the bill, along with a bill for depreciated value if you car was all original and perfect.
I'm not sure about your state, but Contractors in Texas are required to carry pretty hefty insurance. Their insurance should cover it with no questions asked. If they even blink an eye, call an attorney. I would not play around, your case is pretty cut and dry. Do not settle for anything less than 100%.
Our company has insane insurance requirements and coverage. Anytime something happens, the President says give it to the insurance company, that's why we have them.
Good luck,
- Zishan
Our company has insane insurance requirements and coverage. Anytime something happens, the President says give it to the insurance company, that's why we have them.
Good luck,
- Zishan
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Very bad story
I certainly wouldn't claim it on your own insurance, could work against you in the future with any other damage.
About the Formula red, it indeed seems to be a very difficult colour to get the right colour tint. When I got some touch up paint made up at a paint specialist, he told me to take very good care to avoid damage needing any partial respray as this paint is extremely difficult to get a good colour match with.
In his words: a paintshop will NOT be happy with having to repair this colourscheme
I certainly wouldn't claim it on your own insurance, could work against you in the future with any other damage.
About the Formula red, it indeed seems to be a very difficult colour to get the right colour tint. When I got some touch up paint made up at a paint specialist, he told me to take very good care to avoid damage needing any partial respray as this paint is extremely difficult to get a good colour match with.
In his words: a paintshop will NOT be happy with having to repair this colourscheme
Any contractor performing work on a government installation has posted a bond and has liability insurance, find out where your contracting office is and talk to them, and file a claim.
My heart goes out to you! That whole scenario is so incredibly absurd - it is hard to believe that the person operating the road cleaning machine could be so absolutely moronic. You might consider talking to Tyler at Formula 1 about the repair - their work is excellent.
You might consider talking to Tyler at Formula 1 about the repair - their work is excellent.
Here's MY idea...
I'd force the issue and get the contactor to cut YOU a check for all damages. THEN I'd clean up your NSX and sell it at a favorable price...
FINALLY I'd take the money from the sale AND the money for damages and get a newer/undamaged NSX... You'll lose money either way with repaint vs. my idea on he car you have NOW. However, if you get a newer one, you'll lose NO money, and lose NO value. I mean, if you sell it for 25k to someone who WANTS to customize one, it's a great deal for you both, THEN you can get another at 35K or whatever... Just my .02!
I'd force the issue and get the contactor to cut YOU a check for all damages. THEN I'd clean up your NSX and sell it at a favorable price...
FINALLY I'd take the money from the sale AND the money for damages and get a newer/undamaged NSX... You'll lose money either way with repaint vs. my idea on he car you have NOW. However, if you get a newer one, you'll lose NO money, and lose NO value. I mean, if you sell it for 25k to someone who WANTS to customize one, it's a great deal for you both, THEN you can get another at 35K or whatever... Just my .02!
From the description the debris were impacting the front of your car, then bounding/rolling and otherwise ending up elsewhere. In this scenario it sounds very likely that the paint on your doors (minus the mirrors) and everything behind that is fine (minus some dirt and swirl marks...which can be cleaned and buffed away). Painting such to "fix" would be unnecessary (I would avoid paint on these panels if at all possible to fix via detail/buffing.
The bumper/mirrors need a repaint. The hood/fenders would depend (if the thing is blowing up, the hood was likely not likely in line for direct impact...same for the fenders unless coming at them from the side.
Anyway, bottom line is only repaint necessary panels. The NSX has a great factory paint job so unless there is real damage don't have it replaced.
The bumper/mirrors need a repaint. The hood/fenders would depend (if the thing is blowing up, the hood was likely not likely in line for direct impact...same for the fenders unless coming at them from the side.
Anyway, bottom line is only repaint necessary panels. The NSX has a great factory paint job so unless there is real damage don't have it replaced.
Rereading your post I'm now unsure about the direction the blower was blowing from. You talk about the side being pelted and aluminum (sounds like from the side) but then mention the windshield, mirrors, and turn signals (sounds like from the front).
Which is it?
Which is it?
Wow. I'm surprised how well you're actually taking it.
They really did devalue your car quite a bit. VIN tags can be masked around on your body panels but the VIN tag etched into your windshield is going to be gone now if you replace it.
Any pictures yet?
They really did devalue your car quite a bit. VIN tags can be masked around on your body panels but the VIN tag etched into your windshield is going to be gone now if you replace it.
Any pictures yet?
By the way, I added the pictures.
It was both. My co-worker witnessed them blasting the car from the front from left to right and then from the side all the way down. When I got there, I saw the jackass trying to blow off my car "with clean air" from about two feet away near the drivers front wheel. He was tilting the machine up at the front fender/hood/drivers door. He would not stop. He was determined to get the rocks off off the hood but he was just picking up more crap and blasting my car with it. You can see almost an inch of pebbles accumulated on the windshield wipers. I can't believe the wheels are OK.
I'm going to contact the insurance company tomorrow.
I hate to say it but latzke sounds like he's working for the contractor. Ever used a blower - man you move around sometime coming from the side and then from the front. I don't think it's a stationary type action like a car wash. Just a guess, I could be wrong.
It will never be the same NSX.
Use this as an opportunity to move up.
This is why employees scare the bejesus out of me.
Could be worse. He could have started a fight with you. Then you'd own the sandblast company as well.
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WOW, that's awful! :frown: Was this at DM or Pinal? Best of luck getting it taken care of though.
Neither. I work at Tucson AZ Air National Guard at the Tucson International Airport.
I suggested a "maybe" or two to temper knee-jerk reactions from people (who haven't even seen pictures) saying it will definitely need a full repaint. Conclusion: I work for this contractor (1000 miles from where I live).
I asked reasonable questions to get a better picture of what happened (what directions the car was attacked from). Conclusion: I believe the blower is stationary (by my question and the OP's story, it is obviously not).
Both conclusions and accusations you've made defy common logic and critical thinking...and add nothing to the discussion. Not posting would have been better than adding "I guess I could be wrong" at the end.
Back to the topic...
MANIACura,
I would be mad as hell if this happened to me. I'm with you on "fearing" a complete repaint will be necessary to fix this. I would get a second or third opinion from truly reputable shops because I think it is possible, if not very likely, that only panels which were directly impacted by debris at speed would need repainting. Where sand/pebbles rolled/collected/sat (but didn't impact at speed) you may have some swirl marks...but we all do with time and this is why people detail/polish paint.
I think two sides of the car fall into the "impact" category as the guy was blowing the car "from the front from left to right and then from the side all the way down." [Disclaimer: I'm assuming you mean "left to right" relative to someone looking at the car, not relative to sides of the car. If relative to car all 4 sides likely have direct hits as the guy would have had to make his way back around to the driver side of the car from the right side.]
Anyway, this leaves the passenger side, rear, and top (roof, trunk, maybe hood) as possibly not needing a repaint.
Whatever the needed repairs, I hope the contractor makes things right...and does so outright...without making it a battle for you.
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From Latzke: Not posting would have been better than .....
Added nothing to the posting - correct but then your advice has also already been stated at least once. If you had read all the posts then you'd have known that the contractor was using a blower that was mobile. Your post seemed to be critical to me of the car owner's definition of what happened, i.e., your remark "which is it". Your first two posts didn't help either. I was just posting a remark after reading all the posts and I really knew you weren't really working for the contractor - that was actually a cynical remark - sorry bout that - not a real conclusion. Same with my "I could be wrong..." comment - purely cynical - sorry again - figured most would get the side door "humor".
I made another post early that addressed the damage in a similar fashion in that expert advice is needed, etc. - the same way you did. There are 2 pages of posts on this. No big deal and we shouldn't argue amongst ourselves anyway. Sorry I goosed you. :smile:
Added nothing to the posting - correct but then your advice has also already been stated at least once. If you had read all the posts then you'd have known that the contractor was using a blower that was mobile. Your post seemed to be critical to me of the car owner's definition of what happened, i.e., your remark "which is it". Your first two posts didn't help either. I was just posting a remark after reading all the posts and I really knew you weren't really working for the contractor - that was actually a cynical remark - sorry bout that - not a real conclusion. Same with my "I could be wrong..." comment - purely cynical - sorry again - figured most would get the side door "humor".
I made another post early that addressed the damage in a similar fashion in that expert advice is needed, etc. - the same way you did. There are 2 pages of posts on this. No big deal and we shouldn't argue amongst ourselves anyway. Sorry I goosed you. :smile:
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I know we often joke about panel damage"buffing right out" but i think you need to reevaluate after a good detail to really see what is damaged from just loose sand/dirt. I would love to see the same panels after a good cleaning.I have to think the dingis who did the blowing knew all too well what he was doing
+1 on Doc's response. The pics showed a lot of sand on the car and dirt and pebbles on the windscreen but really hard to evaluate the actual damage till the dirt is gone and it's clean. Red is one of the harder colors to match - I've heard that!
how did you not kill this F head???!!!!
how could he not know you were telling him to stop!!!
I would have jammed his f'n head in that thing!!!!
would love to see the owners expression when he gets that bill for a "detail"..he'll be looking to jam that dudes head in it after he does..:tongue:
how could he not know you were telling him to stop!!!
I would have jammed his f'n head in that thing!!!!
would love to see the owners expression when he gets that bill for a "detail"..he'll be looking to jam that dudes head in it after he does..:tongue:
+1 to 91x, geez, that would have been on my mind unless he was a big nasty looking dude with giant boots.....:biggrin: But then there may have been something laying around like a 2x4....
I thought you really meant you have sand blasted off your paints and just the bare aluminum shell. If their insurance aren't paying for it, can't you hire a lawyer? It bet it won't cost that much for a lawyer. Sure under your $500-$1000 deductible. Good luck!
Employers Mutual Group finally called me and offered $4100 dollars to repaint my NSX. They "will only cover the actual panels that they directly damaged". Of course when I went over their estimate, they had omitted several of the damaged panels....gas cap, rear bumper cover, roof, etc...etc. I pointed out the omissions and they raised their offer to $5600 but still left out a few items. Again, I pointed out the remaining omissions and was told "this is our final offer".
This is all partly due to the moron they hired to come look at the car and then told me the car obviously needs a "complete paint" and then recommends $4100 to EMG. What a worm.
This leads me to a few questions:
1) Can they match the exsisting R-77 paint?
2) How come I have to get real estimates but they can quote some mysterious system that says it takes less than a third of my estimates to repair my car. Where are their real estimates?
3) Is $5600 a realistic figure? My estimates were $12800 and $14800.
4) Do I need to get a lawyer?
This is all partly due to the moron they hired to come look at the car and then told me the car obviously needs a "complete paint" and then recommends $4100 to EMG. What a worm.
This leads me to a few questions:
1) Can they match the exsisting R-77 paint?
2) How come I have to get real estimates but they can quote some mysterious system that says it takes less than a third of my estimates to repair my car. Where are their real estimates?
3) Is $5600 a realistic figure? My estimates were $12800 and $14800.
4) Do I need to get a lawyer?
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