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Tubi Group Buy
- Thread starter DonD
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I Talked To Matt At Euro Tech And He Told Me
We Are Looking At A Mid-february Delivery.
I Also Sent In My Deposit Last Year And Can't Wait
To Put On My Tubi!!!!!
We Are Looking At A Mid-february Delivery.
I Also Sent In My Deposit Last Year And Can't Wait
To Put On My Tubi!!!!!
chill007will said:
GREAT!!!!! Mid Feb is just a few weeks away :smile:
But then again, we have heard proposed dates already and then we had delays. :frown:
Did he give a FIRM DATE ?
Sure would like to know a actual date....I need to schedule time with my mechanic for the installation.
Hope that this is an accurate estimate time for delivery.
Got an e-mail from Matt! <a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_17_206.gif' alt='Thumbs Up' border=0></a>
M: One system arrived yesterday which is a very good sign. The system looks great, and the adjustable tips look like a very nice improvement. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get a definite date on when the rest of the systems will be arriving. As soon as I know, you will know.
Thanks for your patience !
Matthew C. Reed
Sounds good,but I wonder why only one exhaust was sent instead of all of them? <a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_28_113.gif' alt='Confused' border=0></a>
If we are lucky we should see them sometime soon. But who knows.... ???<a
Still trying to be patient...<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_6_109v.gif' alt='Waiting' border=0></a>
M: One system arrived yesterday which is a very good sign. The system looks great, and the adjustable tips look like a very nice improvement. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get a definite date on when the rest of the systems will be arriving. As soon as I know, you will know.
Thanks for your patience !
Matthew C. Reed
Sounds good,but I wonder why only one exhaust was sent instead of all of them? <a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_28_113.gif' alt='Confused' border=0></a>
If we are lucky we should see them sometime soon. But who knows.... ???<a
Still trying to be patient...<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_6_109v.gif' alt='Waiting' border=0></a>
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I speculate the reason they only sent one is because it is the first one made with the new jig that they were supposed to build using my OEM exhaust that I sent them over almost 2 years ago. They probably need to know if the new configuration resolves the earlier fitment issues.
I am the guy who ordered 50-60 units from them in 01-02 and still have one on my NSX.
I won't go into the reason why you guys are waiting so long but be vigilant and keep the pressure on the guys in Michigan; they have their own priorities.
I am the guy who ordered 50-60 units from them in 01-02 and still have one on my NSX.
I won't go into the reason why you guys are waiting so long but be vigilant and keep the pressure on the guys in Michigan; they have their own priorities.
That's ridiculous... I can't be bother waiting anymore... And why is the exhausts being change!? I thought I was getting the same Tubi it was made famous for... I will contact Matt to get my refund... Anyone interested, feel free to take my spots on the 'WAITING' game... 
Cheers,
Cheers,
I AM OUT! DONE!! FINISHED!!! <a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_2_203.gif' alt='Steamed' border=0></a>Talked with Matt again today on the telephone. He told me that the one exhaust that has been made is to be installed to confirm fitment. Then after installation the exhaust might need to be modified slightly if necessary. Then it would be possible that it will need to by test fit again. All of this is prior to producing the exhaust for the general market. This is why there is NO DATE FOR DELIVERY!!!
I am NOT HAPPY<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_2_207.gif' alt='Grrr' border=0></a> with how this whole deal was handled. There should have been an exhaust that was already proven for fitment before this GB was initiated. Matt told me that he was not sure when the TUBI would be shipped, with no garauntee for delivery date and that it could easily be many more months before the exhaust would be available.
He did tell me that he was just as frustrated as I am (probably not!), and that there would be no problem to send my deposit back to me.
So now I am back in the market for a quality exhaust. I won't make the same mistake twice. I will only purchase an exhaust that is in stock and readily available. I really thought that TUBI exhaust was the way to go but after this experience with TUBI MFG I see that their concept of good business practice is far different than mine.
Good luck to all of you that are going to continue to hold your breath. Hopefully you will not turn blue<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_9_4.gif' alt='I Can't' border=0></a>and loose any more driving time as I have while waiting for something that may be a long while before it arrives.
The sooner that I get my car on the road the sooner that I will be smiling again.<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_12v.gif' alt='Smiley Shell' border=0></a>
I am NOT HAPPY<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_2_207.gif' alt='Grrr' border=0></a> with how this whole deal was handled. There should have been an exhaust that was already proven for fitment before this GB was initiated. Matt told me that he was not sure when the TUBI would be shipped, with no garauntee for delivery date and that it could easily be many more months before the exhaust would be available.
He did tell me that he was just as frustrated as I am (probably not!), and that there would be no problem to send my deposit back to me.
So now I am back in the market for a quality exhaust. I won't make the same mistake twice. I will only purchase an exhaust that is in stock and readily available. I really thought that TUBI exhaust was the way to go but after this experience with TUBI MFG I see that their concept of good business practice is far different than mine.
Good luck to all of you that are going to continue to hold your breath. Hopefully you will not turn blue<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_9_4.gif' alt='I Can't' border=0></a>and loose any more driving time as I have while waiting for something that may be a long while before it arrives.
The sooner that I get my car on the road the sooner that I will be smiling again.<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_12v.gif' alt='Smiley Shell' border=0></a>
Sorry, I don't blame you. They have jerked us around for so long, promising date after date that they are to be completed. They were supposed to be done months ago and now they tell us they have not even been built! And now they are out another couple of months. Why should we believe them now? Someone is dishonest and if not, so out of the loop their a joke for Tubi and don't care. Wow! I wish they could have been upfront about it and not made misleading completion dates.
DonD said:Sorry, I don't blame you. They have jerked us around for so long, promising date after date that they are to be completed. They were supposed to be done months ago and now they tell us they have not even been built! And now they are out another couple of months. Why should we believe them now? Someone is dishonest and if not, so out of the loop their a joke for Tubi and don't care. Wow! I wish they could have been upfront about it and not made misleading completion dates.
Don,
Yes, these things can happen when more than one person gets involved with something like this GB. MISCOMMUNICATION and EMPTY PROMISES have kept us all waiting! Of course I do not hold any one person responsible for this mess. I do hold TUBI responsible and also to a lesser extent Matt. We have relied upon Matt to tell us what is going on and it seems that he was also in the dark or did not ask the right questions. But it is TUBI that is ultimately the only entity that can know exactly what is going on.
I have been told by Matt just this morning that you will be the lucky person to receive the one TUBI exhaust that has been built because you initiated this Group Buy. If it fits your car then it will be a matter of starting production after your feedback. If you have problems with fitment then it will need to be modified and then reinstalled.
All I can say again is good luck to you and I hope that it fits without any problems.
I wish everyone else a short wait until TUBI actually starts production.
Now I am going to order my B&B exhaust from Tom Bell. http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showpost.php?p=395862&postcount=1 He has always been accurate with his estimates for delivery dates, fair on his prices, and his opinions are appreciated.
MM
hey these are italians! these are mufflers! these are not new yorkers and these are not cancer drugs. i think we need to come up with an acronym for TUBI. how aboutCruzrmm said:
T for Terribly
U for Unlikely
B for Builtup
I for Inventory
or
Trouble Usually Before Importation
:biggrin:
willabeest said:
How about
Totally
Unimpressed
Before
Installation
OR-
Totally
Ubelievable
BS
Information
Any way-
I am finished and moving on.
Just had to put my last .02 and hoping to smile again soon.
So you see, I am regaining my sense of humor again.<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm395YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_215.gif' alt='Big Smile' border=0></a>
I am sure that some day these exhausts will be available but I just don't have the time or patience to wait any longer.
Good luck to all of you.
Cruzrmm said:
I have to say it is amazing to read something like this. I have (and love) a B&B on my 300ZXTT. However, the B&B group buy I was involved in makes this Tubi GB a walk in the park. Imagine that you go through all of this and then find quality issues??? Then you contact the company (in my case B&B) and they say a group of their best people quit and they had "newbies" making the exhausts for the GB! Here is a link to some experiences that were had in 300ZX B&B group buy a couple years ago:
My B&B group buy experience
Here is what I want to convey:
- No company is perfect. B&B hit a difficult time and came out pretty good. I expect those who wait it out will be satisfied also.
- TUBI is trying to make an already good exhaust even better. I think it says a lot about a company that they are willing to change the design when they may only make 20-30 more exhausts ever for the NSX.
- They should have communicated this better up front but if you deal with Italians, this is S.O.P.
- If you purchase something else, you will be even more upset when people are posting pictures and sound clips of their Tubi's on Prime.
It boils down to this:
- If you want a deep sounding exhaust, get the B&B now.
- If you want a Tubi (higher pitched) sounding exhaust, hold on for the Tubi.
These things happen with aftermarket companies. I'm holding on... absence makes the heart grow fonder. :frown:
AutoVation said:I have to say it is amazing to read something like this. I have (and love) a B&B on my 300ZXTT. However, the B&B group buy I was involved in makes this Tubi GB a walk in the park. Imagine that you go through all of this and then find quality issues??? Then you contact the company (in my case B&B) and they say a group of their best people quit and they had "newbies" making the exhausts for the GB! Here is a link to some experiences that were had in 300ZX B&B group buy a couple years ago:
My B&B group buy experience
Here is what I want to convey:
- No company is perfect. B&B hit a difficult time and came out pretty good. I expect those who wait it out will be satisfied also.
- TUBI is trying to make an already good exhaust even better. I think it says a lot about a company that they are willing to change the design when they may only make 20-30 more exhausts ever for the NSX.
- They should have communicated this better up front but if you deal with Italians, this is S.O.P.
- If you purchase something else, you will be even more upset when people are posting pictures and sound clips of their Tubi's on Prime.
It boils down to this:
- If you want a deep sounding exhaust, get the B&B now.
- If you want a Tubi (higher pitched) sounding exhaust, hold on for the Tubi.
These things happen with aftermarket companies. I'm holding on... absence makes the heart grow fonder. :frown:
Of course no company is perfect. If a person expects perfection then you set yourself up for disappointment. I do expect honesty, accuracy, and respect.
I do not think that TUBI has been truthful or forthcoming to me as a buyer (and all buyers) in this Group Buy. This equates to a lack of respect and generally considered bad business practice. An understanding of good business practice is universal, regardless of country of origin. Believe me, an Italian that is lied to or purposly misguided/misdirected would be as angry as I am now - maybe more so!. I travel to Europe a lot, 7 months last year, and in fact I know many Italians and they seem to have a bit of a temper when they feel justified (verbal and hand gestures are sometimes amazing!). And as apparantly evident that a number of other buyers are angry in this GB as was admitted to me by Matt. I don't think that this is a matter of race or nationality to allow a rationalization for this type of business practice. It boils down to communication, actually in this case it is a lack of communication and a problem with accuracy of statements made (ie. date
I do not think that TUBI has been forthcoming with the information that they are indeed privy to. This additional delay was not something unknown for them- I am sure that they saw it coming, maybe even knew it from the start. It is completely unexpected for us in this GB as we have been told many times different dates for intended delivery, most recently "mid FEB". Someone, somewhere was aware that this GB was being misdirected and/or misinformed. The dates that have been quoted for delivery came from someone that should know better. The issues that I have are not about the long wait, but rather the continued delays and misinformation. I think that if the factory rep communicated often and with accuracy then my frustration would not be as great. But really, the communication has been nonexistant and has always been generated by someone in the GB. Then the answer has been vague or incorrect.
Yes, I absolutly prefer the TUBI for sound and build quality but when associated with general bad business practice it is hard to justify waiting longer for a product that has no determined date of production. I might as well be waiting for the New Generation NSX! Just as the new NSX is a mystery so also is the new TUBI exhaust a complete mystery. I prefer to drive rather than wait. At least HONDA/ACURA has not made false promises about releasing a new and NSX and then delayed production. Can you imaging how many buyers would be lost to the competition. Granted there are always die-hard buyers that are willing to wait or put up with intangeable promises. But I prefer the tangeable, that being the scenery going by at speed accompanied by the sweet music of exhaust notes and VTEC!
I am not trying to rock the boat or convert any other buyers away from this GB. I am only posting information that I have become aware of because I am sure that I am not the only one here that has been wondering what is going on?!
We all have our reasons as to why we have chosen the TUBI exhaust. My reason is as I have already stated- exhaust pitch, quality of construction, history, etc. Some of us can wait and some of us can not wait any longer. My need and necessity is driven (pun intended!) by the fact that my '99 is just waiting for the exhaust to arrive and I will finish the installation of the CTSC and CT headers (among other recent mods) and be back on the road again. You can be sure that I will not be FI with OEM exhaust.
AutoVation - The issues that you had with the B&B GB for your 300ZXTT appear to have been addressed and elliminated. Sure, you had to deal with delays and quality control but as of today's date it appears that these issues are now non-issues. This is evidenced by the fact that the B&B exhaust is available and has been intalled without fitment or quality control problems. http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showpost.php?p=403539&postcount=16
This is certainly second choice for me but the reality is that I am out of time. If I had a garauntee that the TUBI would be in my hands in 2 or 3 weeks then I would stay in, for sure. But the way that Matt talks, and his business is 5 doors down from TUBI USA, he says that there "is no date known for delivery". Asked point blank- he admitted "it could be a few more months".
So, unless something drastic changes in the next few days, I will have to consider other alternatives. At this time I believe that the B&B offers what I hope to find for sound, availablity, quality.
Disappointed with the TUBI GB mess but feeling better now that I know that I will have my NSX back on the road sooner rather than "who knows when" later.
AutoVation, BTW- You are correct, I will be sure to listen to the sound clips that you guys post when you all get your TUBIs installed. But I am pretty sure that I will post my sound clip of my '99 with CTSC, CT headers, CT CF airbox, and Cantrell AIS, and performance exhaust long before you see your TUBI. I can't imagine being disappointed with the sound!
I guess that I am all talked out now. LOL
That feels good..... :biggrin:
Happy Motoring.....
Cruzrmm,
I had no idea you were waiting on the exhaust before you could drive your NSX! I would suggest getting the B&B right away if you can't get confirmation of a Tubi delivery date that is to your satisfaction. If you are not happy with the B&B you can always sell it and get a Tubi when it comes in (sometimes we can have our cake and eat it too :biggrin. It's only 30 min. to switch out exhausts!
Also, you may want to talk to member "Stunner", it sounds like he has a Tubi he's getting ready to cut to fit into a Veilside kit. Tubi soon to be available?
It sounds like your NSX is going to be pretty sweet when it is completed, I will be keeping an eye out for dyno charts and vids of it!
I had no idea you were waiting on the exhaust before you could drive your NSX! I would suggest getting the B&B right away if you can't get confirmation of a Tubi delivery date that is to your satisfaction. If you are not happy with the B&B you can always sell it and get a Tubi when it comes in (sometimes we can have our cake and eat it too :biggrin
. It's only 30 min. to switch out exhausts!Also, you may want to talk to member "Stunner", it sounds like he has a Tubi he's getting ready to cut to fit into a Veilside kit.
Tubi soon to be available?It sounds like your NSX is going to be pretty sweet when it is completed, I will be keeping an eye out for dyno charts and vids of it!
AutoVation said:Cruzrmm,
I had no idea you were waiting on the exhaust before you could drive your NSX! I would suggest getting the B&B right away if you can't get confirmation of a Tubi delivery date that is to your satisfaction. If you are not happy with the B&B you can always sell it and get a Tubi when it comes in (sometimes we can have our cake and eat it too :biggrin
Also, you may want to talk to member "Stunner", it sounds like he has a Tubi he's getting ready to cut to fit into a Veilside kit.
It sounds like your NSX is going to be pretty sweet when it is completed, I will be keeping an eye out for dyno charts and vids of it!
AutoVation, I really appreciate the lead. I sent a PM to Stunner. Now I will see if he is interested in selling.
I know that some of the "old" style TUBIs had fitment problems but I can deal with that. Matt told me that the only change to the "new" TUBI is the adjustable tips. Kind of sounds like the tubes are stubbed into to muffler cans and then the tips are attached to the tubes and clamped on. What I can't understand is that if this is the only change to the new exhaust why is it taking so long to manufacture them?
Oh well, the new TUBI is not in the cards for me right now. And yes, I have also considered getting something now and changing it out when the TUBI is made available, whenever that may be....
Comptech is doing the CTSC and header/exhaust install. Just waiting...
They want to do all of the work at the same time and not piece meal, which is understandable. I hate having it sit in their yard. Every day we wait for the exhaust they will have to put it out for the day and then back in again at night. I much prefer that the car was in my own garage. Pics and vid to come after I get my ride back from Comptech.
Sorry if I sounded like I was going on and on in the last Post.
I guess that I just had to vent a little.
I am sure that in a couple of weeks it will all be just a bad memory...
Cruzrmm said:
Are you talking about statements made by myself and or Don D?
One of the problems is your talking to Matt, he is a middle man and he is not going to know much at all.
You do realize that DonD started this group buy on 09-09-2004, 11:24,
You chimed in on 11-25-2004, 12:33 asking to get in on the on going group buy. There are plenty of other people who have benn waiting 2 months or longer than you.
prova4re said:
No I am NOT pointing finger at you or at Don. If I was, I would have specifically said so. If you have read my Posts you would see that I have repeatedly indicated TUBI MFG is ultimately respnsible for the miscommunication and misdirection. Matt is indirectly responsible because he is as you say "The Middleman" and should be aware of what is going on. And my talking to Matt is certainly NOT one of the problems! Unless of course you think that becoming better informed is a problem. Again, if you have read my posts you will see that I did not post any incorrect information. All of the dates posted have come from others involved with this GB. Unless you have different information about an actual date garaunteeing delivery then I have to put most creedence into Matt's last statement that there "is not any date known for a delivery". If you have different info please post it so that we all know what is going on.
Yes, it is true that others have been waiting longer than I have but is this really revelant? Does the amount of time change the facts that have created all of these delays? If the arrival of the TUBI exhaust was posted as "Unknown" in the beginning of this GB then I would have possibly made a different decision on joining in. Or if I had agreed to an unknown date then I would have nothing to be upset about now. But this is not the case. Delivery dates have been estimated for before the New Year, to just after the New Year, to mid FEB, to now- UNKNOWN!
This is just UNACCEPTABE. That is why I AM OUT!
Cruzrmm said:
Thanks.........I just wanted to make sure. :smile:
Cruzrmm said:
What I am trying to say is talk to the horses mouth, Franc owns tubi style usa, I have allways tallked to him and a few of his guy to get the real scoop.
Cruzrmm said:
Not really, :wink: but you were venting like your the only one waiting.
Cruzrmm said:
Don't blame you at all, I did pm you.........did you get it?
i got it !! ready... here it is!!!!!!Cruzrmm said:
TUBI or not TUBI! That is the QUESTION!
apologies to william shakespeare.
Cruzrmm said:
Timing Uncertain Because Italian?
prova4re said:
Just to repeat...My frustration, disappointment, emotion, is NOT directed towards you or Don any other Prime Member or participant of this GB. I also am NOT trying directly or indirectly, to persuade any buyer to reconsider their position in this GB. I am sure that we all as individuals can make our own determination as to the bad business practices, validity of statements, and ethics of TUBI MFG. I am completely focused at TUBI MFG. Even TUBI USA may have been initially uninformed as to the actual details of the production of the new exhaust system for the NSX. Although I would contend that TUBI USA should have known better. I do believe that at some point TUBI USA became aware of TUBI MFG's intent to produce a single prototype unit, rather than a general market production run, and the excessive delays that prototype development would entail.
Granted, Matt is just a middleman but he was also aware of the huge time delays and of the concerns of many of the participants of this GB. He also should have been more forthcomming with information or at least strived to get accurate answers with regular updates communicated to this group either through you or Don, after all- he is profiting by this GB. It is this chain of misinformation that is what I consider bad business practice. BTW- Acting as the middleman (and profiting from this GB) Matt is who we should be asking questions of. He is the representative for both parties- the GB buyers and TUBI, hence the definition of Middleman. He was the person that we sent our deposit to, not TUBI USA. So your suggestion of "Talking to the horses mouth" is exactly who I have been talking to. He stands to profit from this deal so he should work some for his money. Actually I only hold Matt slightly responsible because he only relays what TUBI USA told him. IMO he should have been a little more insistant with TUBI USA to provide actual dates and production information rather than just pass on vague and indefinite information. I do not believe that Matt fabricated any of this deception or misdirection, he only passed it on to us. Matt always replied to my questions in a timely manner.
As far as taking some initiative on my own behalf-
I have never been one to sit quietly by the wayside when I feel that something that I am associated with is not going as planned. Information is the foundation needed to make intelligent, informed, and educated decisions. This is true for business as well as life in general. As I have already said- if during the initial Post getting the GB put together there was full disclosure of the process of production 1. Change of design 2. Prototype production 3. Confirmation of fitment 4. General production with NO garauntee of delivery date. And then as a buyer after reviewing all of these conditions I elected to participate then I would certainly not be in a position to voice any dissatisfaction. But, such is not the case. The reality is that all of us were misled from the beginning, either from misinformation or omission of relevant information.
My statements made are easily catagorized as Facts and Opinions. My Opinions are based on the Facts although some others that are participating in this GB may disagree or have their opinions. The Facts speak for themselves and are easily determined and quantified.
No, I did not get a PM from you.
Please send it again.
Plenty of PMs from others-
To repeat one last time- I hold no annimosity against you or any other Prime Memeber or GB participant. I do not consider you, Don, or Matthew C. Reed or Euro Tech of Holland, LLC directly responsible for these delays.
I do believe that the concept of a TUBI GB is a great idea. I also applaude Don for having the initiative to start this GB and I appreciate all of his time and effort spent to make it happen. I know that it has been just as frustrating for him. I am sure that he has recieved many PMs. The time that he has spent to make this happen is donated to everyone here because he is also an NSX enthusiast and wants everyone interested in a TUBI exhaust to benefit from this GB. I am also just an NSX enthusiast hoping to have my car back on the road again without more delays. I can't hold my breath any longer for something that is still in a prototype development stage.
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Just received the 1st exhaust yesterday! Will forward pictures installed soon as possible.
It did not come with any instructions. Extensions cost $400 with no bolts or gaskets. Looks like Science of Speed sells them for $200 with bolts and gaskets. I don't know if they are the same quality.
Quality of workmanship is excellent. The adjustments for the tail pipes are very simple as you can see in the attached picture.
It did not come with any instructions. Extensions cost $400 with no bolts or gaskets. Looks like Science of Speed sells them for $200 with bolts and gaskets. I don't know if they are the same quality.
Quality of workmanship is excellent. The adjustments for the tail pipes are very simple as you can see in the attached picture.
