General Questions and comments.......
We are back from the NSteXpo road trip and here is a quick composite:
BadCarma said:
I am liking this,way to go MJ
Thanks!
NetViper said:
Are we going to be able to purschase this unti directly from comptech also? or is it a DALI only product? Will other people, like SOS pick it up?
It is a “Dali Only” product.
NSX FoYoAss said:
So there are 4 Boostzilla superchargers?
There are currently 4 “stages” of kits coming to market.
Juice said:
I'm curious. If the system has been studied so well, and is ready for sale, why then is there no price listed?
No one said it was ready for sale yet, (most likely July) and I didn’t have every bid in for the parts that I don’t make myself before we left for the event. The "basic" BOOSTZILLA kit wil be priced at $5500.00, the "BABYZILLA" will be under $5K.
Wouldn't I just be able to purchase it if every thing was ready to go? And where does the boost hit with this kit?
the website will have that information as it is updated – we update every Wednesday.
MORE importantly, I want to see MONGOzilla!
Come to NSXEXPO’03
nsxxtreme said:
Gotta love the picture though, looks like someone PO the wrong person.
“Someone” did.
NSXTC said:
Anyway, I think I have seen the design inspiration for this kit a couple of year ago.
There are only a finite number of places to put an SC in the NSX, and the RTR kit was not an inspiration.
whiteNSXs said:
Since Mark Johnson and Mark Basch are best friends and business partners. Are these superchargers just the same unit but different labels? Is that why the logos are pretty much the same design?
Steve
You have not been keeping up to date, neither of those ass-umptions are the case anymore. The “logo” (and that page) is a parody of the BBSC page – if you have been there you will know what I mean, and there is a lot more to it under the surface than meets the cursory glance. There is nothing about the Dali SC kit that has ANY business relationship with, design similarity to or derivation from the BBSC kit except that they both force more air into the motor.
Darkcyd said:
I think you missed the part where they became ex-friends, ex-business partners. Looks like the FI arena is about to get ugly.
When my two blown up by the BBSC kit motors are repaired and returned I’ll be as happy as the next guy. Since when has more “choice” been ugly?
Number9 said:
So to pick up on something that SJS implied, why go centrifugal at all in a tabula rasa SC NSX design, given the underlying TQ curve of the NSX engine? The positive displacement blowers present a more challenging packaging problem, but if you're going to go SC instead of turbo, that's where the SC R&D work should be directed, since the PD charger output has much better synergy with the flat, unboosted NSX TQ curve...
Go for it – if your kit is better than ours and comes out at at a better or equal price, I’ll buy one.
j14nsx said:
My little rant, unprovoked maybe, but I just need to say.........
Nice to see new developments in this area as always. I hope for this project Mark, gets the time and space to work on the project without a bombardment of 'potential' customers and their questions. I mean, do all the people that post an endless list of questions really are going to go out and buy one tomorrow? I think maybe not.
Mark's emailbox is probably already over quota and refusing new emails, and then the flames will start, and a NSX vendor, may just wonder if this hassle is actually worth it.
Of course if Mark wants a European demonstrator for the kit.....where do I sign?!!!
Nice idea
We WILL NOT spending all day everyday answering questions and fighting over who has the larger male appendage in the Forums. We will have an EXTENSIVE FAQ posted on the BOOSTZILLA site over the next few site updates, and prior to the kits shipping.
General FAQ questions about the kit should be sent to
[email protected]. They will be replied too and all the questions and answers will be posted online here:
http://boostzilla.com/mothra/web/store/allzilla/faq/installation.cfm
PLEASE check that area in a week or so for the first round of updates. Technical “how do I attach part X to part Y?” or “how do I tweak 20+ more HP out of the kit?” questions will be answered to kit owners ONLY. All purchasers will be able to log in to the support area [you will need to have a password] and ask questions about tuning etc. and have an answer in 24hrs or less.
ALIENT said:
From what I understand, it uses a stock ECU with some some type of mapper (smartmap?).. He did mention that the stock ECU was perfect for the SC implementation.
NSXTC said:
Hmmm.... I think most people on this board with any real NSX FI experience would disagree with that.
Then those people may need to rethink their position.
NetViper said:
Is it ok to run these SC products without aftermarket headers and exhausts?
Yes, - you will just not get as much HP on the dyno.
Wheel Kinetics said:
This Boostzilla kit really is done right!
Lud said:
I think comparing the dyno numbers or graphs from the manufacturer sites is simply bad information. They are not even using the same TYPE of dyno machines, much less the same machine. Further, there is no control for what other mods are on the car, and no baseline dyno for any of the cars.
I understand that everybody wants to compare all these systems, but the margin of error doing it this way is greater than the difference between the graphs being compared.
A same day, same dyno shootout like the one compiled by Eric from last year's nstexpo is a much more reasonable method (though it still did not account for baseline variations).
Thank you for reminding THEM LUD.
Ojas said:
Originally posted by NetViper
I don't know the setup of the boostzilla car other than its a 3.0 L.
If I recall correctly, it has RM headers and RM exhaust. Other than that, I don't know.
Chris mentioned that the intercooler will be located to the left of the engine on the production Boostzilla system. The coolant tank (and some other stuff) will be relocated to accomplish this.
The test car at NsteXpo (and the plot posted on the website) DOES have the RM headers and RM exhaust, and no other mods but the BOOSTZILLA kit. The location for the intercooler kit for the next version of the kit is not set in stone as we might choose another intercooler design based on further testing.
sjs said:
As ncdogdoc said, the real value of the graphs, if any, is in the shape of the power curves. They do show fairly clearly the differences in compressor type. Those who know a lot about forced induction won't see anything unexpected but others may find it informative. Beyond than that I agree they are of little genuine use. As for the CT claims, keep in mind that they previously claimed 400hp from the old 6lb kit so I wouldn't bank on their claims to translate into typical real-world output. Like most big vendors they quote best case results after far more tuning and tweaking than your car is likely to see. I also find it particularly odd that they don't share the torque curve. It could be calculated, but I'd rather see it from the dyno run.
We’d be happy to participate in any organized “group dyno” at an independent shop where all the data is on the same machine on the same day tested by the same tech – maybe we can have some fun with that at NSXPO? The kit tested at NSteXpo was NOT tweaked and tuned for weeks, it is just what CK has been driving around currently, and reflects the state of the project at this time with some new shiny pipes so that it looked nice. We had the intercooled kit injectors installed and they were too big for the boost level we were running without it, so our A/F ratio for the dyno test was way “fat” – bummer as it left some HP on the table. The test car prior to the mods was baselined in Tucson at 233RWHP, so headers + exhaust + basic BOOSTZILLA = +166 RWHP on the 3.0L.
Of course, YHPMV.
It’s all good.
