ALLAN
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yes gerry, 125 in the quarter is running pretty damn good. thats what id like to have both my nsx and lotus running.
btw, wanna race a diablo?
btw, wanna race a diablo?
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Comptechs Best NSX not near good enough (C&D)
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Nsxtacy you are correct in saying that I would never buy a new car. That is business sense. Let someone else take the hit. As soon as you roll it out of the showroom you automatically knock off $20,000. That is $20,000 I can spend on something else. I wasn't knocking the NSX I was just being a smart consumer. Hell, the Lotus drops even faster than the NSX as soon as you take it out of the showroom. That is why you let someone else take the hit. The only cars that this doesn't seem to affect is the Ferrari 360. I can't understand why, because IMO I think that car is but ugly. Sure I wish my 355 had its power and performance but I would never buy trade mine in for a 360. But that is a different story altogether. Like I said it is not a knock against the NSX that I wouldn't buy it new. It's just that I would be stupid to take a $20,000 hit. Sure there are cars faster and better and there will always be someone who is faster and handles better. But the fact remains that the NSX brings a smile to my face and that is enough for me
Please film that one if it ever happens!
I was at the BMW dealership thursday and they said that a doctor in town that has an M3 just had its engine explode. They said he wasn't doing anything stupid, but it just went boom! BMW is replacing it at a cost of 20K (so they said.. i doubt it is that much).
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Though I'm sure what I am about to say is not true for everyone I think it's a line of thinking that is becoming more prominent in our minds. Whether this "line of thinking" rushes to the forefront or not hinges on what Honda can bring to the table MY 2004. Now here it is...
We all love NSX's. A truly remarkable feat of engineering past and present. It showed that Japan was capable of engineering a world class supercar. The problem arises when this world class supercar is compared with the present day "average" sports car. Looking at just the numbers the NSX isn't significantly superior and in some cases is actually lower. Now, the argument can be made about how not much in this world compares to the "NSX experience" but come on folks, it's hard to sell a $90,000 car claiming to be an exotic on just the "experience." Hard to sell to potential buyers, fellow car enthusiasts, and the general public alike that it is a viable supercar in today's world. To be a supercar in today's world a car needs both the "experience" and the numbers to follow suit.
Going back to the first paragraph (line of thinking that is becoming more prominent) I think what all NSX owners and lovers are getting tired of is defending the NSX. After dropping $90k one doesn't want to defend how his/her car performs in this and that category. They just want the car to speak for itself.
So, all in all, I think we all love the NSX but secretly we all are hoping that Honda produces something good real fast so we can shut everyone one up about how the NSX is lacking in this and that department.
**I think I left some things out and probably came out incoherent. Sorry, left the computer 4 times to attend to other needs.
We all love NSX's. A truly remarkable feat of engineering past and present. It showed that Japan was capable of engineering a world class supercar. The problem arises when this world class supercar is compared with the present day "average" sports car. Looking at just the numbers the NSX isn't significantly superior and in some cases is actually lower. Now, the argument can be made about how not much in this world compares to the "NSX experience" but come on folks, it's hard to sell a $90,000 car claiming to be an exotic on just the "experience." Hard to sell to potential buyers, fellow car enthusiasts, and the general public alike that it is a viable supercar in today's world. To be a supercar in today's world a car needs both the "experience" and the numbers to follow suit.
Going back to the first paragraph (line of thinking that is becoming more prominent) I think what all NSX owners and lovers are getting tired of is defending the NSX. After dropping $90k one doesn't want to defend how his/her car performs in this and that category. They just want the car to speak for itself.
So, all in all, I think we all love the NSX but secretly we all are hoping that Honda produces something good real fast so we can shut everyone one up about how the NSX is lacking in this and that department.
**I think I left some things out and probably came out incoherent. Sorry, left the computer 4 times to attend to other needs.
gerry johnson is my new nsx god
btw gerry your car is beautiful.
btw gerry your car is beautiful.
ALLAN
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all new cars have teething problems. once bmw straightens it out, it will be a fine car. ive driven a couple of them, and although not my cup of tea, they seemed to offer alot of bang for the buck.
That's not true...
There are quite a few cars I can think of that I would buy new in that price range. However, not all of them are sportscars.
It just so happens that to me the value-proposition of a relative-new used NSX (such as that of a '97~'00 model) is much greater than that of a new '02.
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Ok, my 2 cents...
I have been reading this thread since the begining and must comment on the folks that are complaining about the cost factor of the NSX.
Well, yes, I agree that $87K for a new NSX is steep when you consider the horsepower to the "others" that are the same price if not less. In its defense though... look at how well the NSX has endured the years. I have had many exotics and NONE of them would last 11 years of age as well as the NSX!
Lets take a Vette for example. I love the power they can throw down but everyone that I have owned has begun to fall apart after 4 years or so. Squeeeeeking and rattles, paint fade, frequent trips to the dealer, electrical problems, etc.
This is when I bring into consideration the price of the NSX. I truly believe that you get what you pay for with this car! Out of all of the cars I have owned, my 91 NSX is the ONLY car I have ever seen that can still pass for NEW! It is my daily driver and my track driver. It still looks new! I have never had anything ever go wrong with the car (not even snap ring). The only thing that killed my motor (90K miles)was my greed when I cranked up the boost on my TT system. -this blame belongs to ME and if I never had modified it who knows how long it would have lasted.
The fact of the matter is that the NSX is indeed an exotic. Just drive down any crowded street and look for the peoples expresions when you drive past them... they all say WOW
there goes an NSX! Do you think a Vette or M3 gets this? I sure dont in me M3.
I love my NSX and will drive it for as long as I am fortunate to own it
I have been reading this thread since the begining and must comment on the folks that are complaining about the cost factor of the NSX.
Well, yes, I agree that $87K for a new NSX is steep when you consider the horsepower to the "others" that are the same price if not less. In its defense though... look at how well the NSX has endured the years. I have had many exotics and NONE of them would last 11 years of age as well as the NSX!
Lets take a Vette for example. I love the power they can throw down but everyone that I have owned has begun to fall apart after 4 years or so. Squeeeeeking and rattles, paint fade, frequent trips to the dealer, electrical problems, etc.
This is when I bring into consideration the price of the NSX. I truly believe that you get what you pay for with this car! Out of all of the cars I have owned, my 91 NSX is the ONLY car I have ever seen that can still pass for NEW! It is my daily driver and my track driver. It still looks new! I have never had anything ever go wrong with the car (not even snap ring). The only thing that killed my motor (90K miles)was my greed when I cranked up the boost on my TT system. -this blame belongs to ME and if I never had modified it who knows how long it would have lasted.
The fact of the matter is that the NSX is indeed an exotic. Just drive down any crowded street and look for the peoples expresions when you drive past them... they all say WOW
I love my NSX and will drive it for as long as I am fortunate to own it
If you guys are saying that the gawk factor or the staring factor is worth the $90,000 you are absolutely wrong. Drive down the same street with a Ferrari 308(which costs about $25,000) and an NSX and you will see how many people will stare at the NSX. That is not what I am getting from this thread. What I understand is that the NSX is not worth the $90,000 new anymore. It was worth the $60,000 when it first came out but not now. Let someone else take the hit when new. Buy it used adn you will be on top of the game. As you say Corvettes do fall apart after 5 years or so because people do not take care of them the way we do the NSX. They abusee them and beat the hell out of them. If you were to do the same with the NSX it wouldn't fare any better. I have seen a few ratty NSXs as well. They don't hold up unless you take care of them.
What do you mean, "secretly"?
There's a difference - a BIG difference. Throughout the warranty period, and for several years thereafter, Honda fixed the cars that failed, free of charge. BMW NA has been fighting many of the owners (not all, but some) and refusing to fix their cars under warranty. And many BMW owners - not just those affected - are upset about the way BMW NA is handling the situation.
geez, what a thread.
i LIKE bmw's but gotta say a less than one percent chance of a stock exploding engine would NOT be acceptable for me. Arguing with BMW after the fact would be even less acceptable.
Reliability is an important factor to me. as someone else eloquently said, "anybody can make a car go fast once or twice"(paraphrase).
the nsx may be getting 'slower' in the face of the competition, but honda builds cars that last. i disagree that the nsx would get crappy if driven hard. quite the opposite. you can flog honda vehicles and they still dont fall apart like most other brands.
pick any other model as old as the nsx and it'll need serious doses of viagra...
i LIKE bmw's but gotta say a less than one percent chance of a stock exploding engine would NOT be acceptable for me. Arguing with BMW after the fact would be even less acceptable.
Reliability is an important factor to me. as someone else eloquently said, "anybody can make a car go fast once or twice"(paraphrase).
the nsx may be getting 'slower' in the face of the competition, but honda builds cars that last. i disagree that the nsx would get crappy if driven hard. quite the opposite. you can flog honda vehicles and they still dont fall apart like most other brands.
pick any other model as old as the nsx and it'll need serious doses of viagra...
post scriptum: i think you are all retarded but i love you all and support you in this retarded olympics thread
I have seen some pretty rough 91's and 92's. That being said, they are still in better shape than the rough 97 vettes I have seen. (unless they were hit and smashed).
I think most NSX owners take very good care of their cars. Corvette owners may be the same (I know my dad will baby his vette forever.
Basically, if you bought your NSX to drag race...you bought the wrong car.
The car's strengths are its styling, reliability, finish, and quality (with a decent dose of performance thrown in for good measure). No other car balances all that as well as the NSX or I/we would have spent my/our money elsewhere.
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'96 Black/Tan NSX-T : Dali Street/Race SwayBars
The car's strengths are its styling, reliability, finish, and quality (with a decent dose of performance thrown in for good measure). No other car balances all that as well as the NSX or I/we would have spent my/our money elsewhere.
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'96 Black/Tan NSX-T : Dali Street/Race SwayBars
That's exactly the problem!
And that is why I feel that the value-proposition of a new sample is less than that of a used one.
By making the NSX highly reliable and top quality from the factory, Honda is indirectly hurting the sale of new samples. The NSX's strengths in terms of reliability and impeccable build-quality are its own worst enemies... when it comes to moving that brand-new '02 model out of the showroom!
Honda's ability to deliver a highly reliable and top build-quality product in the NSX is indirectly screaming the following advertising slogan at the marketplace: Why buy new when a relatively-new used one is just as good?
Oh the irony...
Honda has only itself to blame. Look at the leaps that Ferrari has made between the 348, 355 and 360. Each revision is a mini-revolution. I don't know what Honda is thinking, but it certainly has made a great market for entry level super cars with the NSX.
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ALLAN
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if the next gen nsx had say 400-450hp, weighed 3000pds or less with style to match, i'd be tempted to buy new.
netviper, gerry is so far beyond the cost of a CTSC i cant begin to imagine
. id certainly be interested in all the mods he's had done though, does gerry have a webpage dedicated to his NSX?
Originally posted by robr:
netviper, gerry is so far beyond the cost of a CTSC i cant begin to imagine. id certainly be interested in all the mods he's had done though, does gerry have a webpage dedicated to his NSX?
I would be interested in knowing also. I know Allan would be interested as he is exploring options to go F/I on his NSX.
I have no idea if Gerry has his own site... if he doesn't, I can make him one... for a nominal fee
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1993 White NSX, 70K miles and running STRONG!
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I have no idea if Gerry has his own site... if he doesn't, I can make him one... for a nominal fee
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I do have a site, it is www.pansx.com the car can be viewed in detail there.
I have built this car by myself from the ground up so if I was to add the cost together for the finished product it wouldn't be much more than the CTSC, and thats the motor and turbo install.
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I do have a site, it is www.pansx.com the car can be viewed in detail there.
I have built this car by myself from the ground up so if I was to add the cost together for the finished product it wouldn't be much more than the CTSC, and thats the motor and turbo install.
Lots of different topics being discussed here. Good.
Nobody wants to talk about seats, huh?
Nobody wants to talk about seats, huh?
btw, wanna race a diablo?[/B][/QUOTE]
Allen are you coming out to Cali anytime soon? I wouldn't mind running against a Diablo, If worst came to worst I would just turn the boost up from 15 psi to around 20 psi or so and give it another try. It is so nice to have a TURBO charged NSX, you can turn the boost up from the drivers seat to fit your HP needs, you can even do this while driving down the road.
Allen are you coming out to Cali anytime soon? I wouldn't mind running against a Diablo, If worst came to worst I would just turn the boost up from 15 psi to around 20 psi or so and give it another try. It is so nice to have a TURBO charged NSX, you can turn the boost up from the drivers seat to fit your HP needs, you can even do this while driving down the road.
ALLAN
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i wanted to come to cali today for the monterey show but was unable to. it would be fun to get that race on video. are you coming down to arizona anytime?
so if your going to turn up the boost, im gonna crank up the juice!lol
just looked at your site again. car is awesome, your attention to detail is extreme.how do you like the electromotive unit? i used that system(engine management and ignition) on my porsches and my 87 countach. the difference it made on the countach was huge, night and day.
so if your going to turn up the boost, im gonna crank up the juice!lol
just looked at your site again. car is awesome, your attention to detail is extreme.how do you like the electromotive unit? i used that system(engine management and ignition) on my porsches and my 87 countach. the difference it made on the countach was huge, night and day.
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