HONDA says: NSX replacement to be VERY fast but rare ; ONLY 1,000/year US

[Lime Green NSX]

Who care's how fast it goes. That wasn't the reason for the first NSX. because if it was they would of sold less then 18,000. Speed is not what sold the first body style it was looks. If they need to pick it up then double turbo the car and sell it as an option! You dont need a V10 to get the speed. The body was light and you could of added alot more CF to the car to get it lighter then modify the engine. The suspension was already there especially in the Zandari edition. I think Honda knows racing they just wanted a new look. The CRX and the RSX sold lots, so from a marketing look why wouldn't you try to build a super car that has those similar body lines. Face it boys, it's all about the money, I think on this car. Just my 2 cents.:smile::smile::smile:

 

[doc_tai]

Trust me a lot of people does but nsx owner. It's about time to give corvette and viper a run to their money stock to stock ha ha.

 

[liftcontrol]

V8 RL in 18 months ; V10 and (?)V8 NSX replacement in 18 months: Per HONDA

This MotorAuthority report has a very interesting last paragraph:
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MotorAuthority:
Acura to introduce V8 engine within 18 months
Posted Today, 3:42 AM by Alex Kaufmann
Acura’s next-generation RL is expected to be the first model to feature the company’s new V8 engine


Acura has made it clear it wants to be a top tier luxury brand but to do this it will need to change its lineup to suit the tastes of wealthy buyers, who are more likely to demand RWD cars with powerful engines.

The company’s CEO Takeo Fukui has now confirmed that a new V8 engine is in the works and is scheduled to arrive within the next 18 months. Speaking with Automotive News, Fukui commented on Acura's lack of premium engines, stating that he didn't think the 3.7L V6 engine found in the current RL was "sufficient" to compete with its rivals.

While the current global economic climate has seen most manufacturers downsizing their engines and focusing on fuel efficiency, Acura is eager to build a top tier brand image. The bigger and more powerful V8 engine should give it the boost it needs in terms of marketability.

However, fuel efficiency has not been completely forgotten by Honda. Referring to the future V8, Fukui remarked that it will be "completely different from conventional, past-generation" engines and that it will "have excellent fuel efficiency".

While Acura plans to launch a new flagship luxury sedan within the next few years, the carmaker’s promise to deliver the V8 engine in the next 18 months means that it will likely debut in the next-generation RL due around 2010.

Another senior Acura executive, vice president Koichi Kondo, also recently revealed that a V10 engine will appear in the NSX replacement due to arrive in 2010 and there’s a strong possibility the supercar will feature a V8 option as well.

 

[6spdterror]

having 2 engines seem like a smart idea to help broaden the customer base. A not so expensive v8 option and a balls out v10 beast to fill the lineup. Im just loving the new direction of Acura. Cant wait for the new AWD 6spd TL next year.

 

[WingZ]

Re: V8 RL in 18 months ; V10 and (?)V8 NSX replacement in 18 months: Per HONDA

This MotorAuthority report has a very interesting last paragraph:
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MotorAuthority:
Acura to introduce V8 engine within 18 months
Posted Today, 3:42 AM by Alex Kaufmann
Acura’s next-generation RL is expected to be the first model to feature the company’s new V8 engine


Acura has made it clear it wants to be a top tier luxury brand but to do this it will need to change its lineup to suit the tastes of wealthy buyers, who are more likely to demand RWD cars with powerful engines.

The company’s CEO Takeo Fukui has now confirmed that a new V8 engine is in the works and is scheduled to arrive within the next 18 months. Speaking with Automotive News, Fukui commented on Acura's lack of premium engines, stating that he didn't think the 3.7L V6 engine found in the current RL was "sufficient" to compete with its rivals.

While the current global economic climate has seen most manufacturers downsizing their engines and focusing on fuel efficiency, Acura is eager to build a top tier brand image. The bigger and more powerful V8 engine should give it the boost it needs in terms of marketability.

However, fuel efficiency has not been completely forgotten by Honda. Referring to the future V8, Fukui remarked that it will be "completely different from conventional, past-generation" engines and that it will "have excellent fuel efficiency".

While Acura plans to launch a new flagship luxury sedan within the next few years, the carmaker’s promise to deliver the V8 engine in the next 18 months means that it will likely debut in the next-generation RL due around 2010.

Another senior Acura executive, vice president Koichi Kondo, also recently revealed that a V10 engine will appear in the NSX replacement due to arrive in 2010 and there’s a strong possibility the supercar will feature a V8 option as well.

Interesting times indeed. The new RL engine seemed to be a stall anyway and it's probably going into something else.

 

[iNSXwannabe]

Many of us think it looks pertty cool.

The reason they couldn't use the existing NSX platform is probably because it wouldn't pass the crash test and accommodating any thing bigger than a V6.

The idea came from the Engineers of Honda. The goal is to build a car that will eat other cars alive on the Ring.

you're exactly right - the engineers did. And they forgot to consult with Sales and Marketing. no doubt they have built a technologically advanced supercar, but the looks have seriously seriously suffered..

and as one person above mentions, many people were impressed more by the looks of the NSX, not the performance... All in all, we don't want a 12 second civic. we want an NSX. dammit an NSX!

To me & on my eyes, it looks pretty cool

and Lenin & Stalin killed millions, but they still had people who cried at their funerals

 

[N Spec]

you're exactly right - the engineers did. And they forgot to consult with Sales and Marketing. no doubt they have built a technologically advanced supercar, but the looks have seriously seriously suffered..

and as one person above mentions, many people were impressed more by the looks of the NSX, not the performance... All in all, we don't want a 12 second civic. we want an NSX. dammit an NSX!

I think you mean they ignored the the design department. Sales and marketing couldn't design a good looking car. It can only tell you what people want and influence the direction based on what they want. So yes, perhaps the sales and marketing messed up in telling the engineers and designers that people want big, long nosed, front engined cars. So maybe they should be blaming the people who make decisions based on money.

This new GT has become engineer unbalanced, so lets hope that it will deliver performance like none other. I highly doubt the numbers will be much less than current records though, if even better (sub 7:20s on the ring seem to be very hard to acheive apparently). Let's hope they will deliver as they promise in performance to avoid plenty of embarrassment on Honda's part. A great car has a perfect blend of engineering, design and marketing. That's what it takes these days, you have to master the trifecta.

 

[sahtt]

Honda is dumber than a pile of bricks. All they have to do is make an R8 that's 150-250lbs lighter, slightly more powerful, inherently more reliable/durable, and sells for 5-15k cheaper. More power to them if the build the fastest thing on four wheels outside of lemans and f1 but I don't think that's a wise strategy.

 

[iNSXwannabe]

Let's hope they will deliver as they promise in performance to avoid plenty of embarrassment on Honda's part. A great car has a perfect blend of engineering, design and marketing. That's what it takes these days, you have to master the trifecta.

This car will be a failure..mark my words. It will be fast, the fastest honda ever made, no doubt about it.. but i'm telling you, people will be turned off by the looks. They'll look and think "meh..." and then they'll find out its a honda and completely dismiss it.

What was so special about the NSX? You looked at it and thought "who makes that?! definately not Honda.. it is way too exotic looking." so they liked it right off the bat. Sure the 290HP wasn't impressive anymore by the late 90s, but the looks made up for it...

And let's be real, who's gonna pull up with their new NSX and say "my car does 2 seconds faster on the Nuremberg track than yours does!" "i'm sorry but is that an RSX you're driving?"

 

[BD]

This car will be a failure..mark my words. It will be fast, the fastest honda ever made, no doubt about it.. but i'm telling you, people will be turned off by the looks. They'll look and think "meh..." and then they'll find out its a honda and completely dismiss it.

What was so special about the NSX? You looked at it and thought "who makes that?! definately not Honda.. it is way too exotic looking." so they liked it right off the bat. Sure the 290HP wasn't impressive anymore by the late 90s, but the looks made up for it...

And let's be real, who's gonna pull up with their new NSX and say "my car does 2 seconds faster on the Nuremberg track than yours does!" "i'm sorry but is that an RSX you're driving?"

Of course it is destine to be a market failure. It will join the rank of R8, GTR, ZR1 CGT, SLR Vision, and more.

You are talking about a car that will only serve as a halo car that is on paper and on the road to be a European Exotic killer. No one will buy it, they will just sit in the showroom and collect dust like the NSX.

 

[liftcontrol]

This car will be a failure..mark my words. It will be fast, the fastest honda ever made, no doubt about it.. but i'm telling you, people will be turned off by the looks. They'll look and think "meh..." and then they'll find out its a honda and completely dismiss it.

What was so special about the NSX? You looked at it and thought "who makes that?! definately not Honda.. it is way too exotic looking." so they liked it right off the bat. Sure the 290HP wasn't impressive anymore by the late 90s, but the looks made up for it...

And let's be real, who's gonna pull up with their new NSX and say "my car does 2 seconds faster on the Nuremberg track than yours does!" "i'm sorry but is that an RSX you're driving?"

I get it. You DO NOT LIKE the design of the NSX replacement.

Don't worry HONDA isn't developing this car for you. They are developing this fantastic beast for the true enthusiast who can hardly wait to get their hands on a HONDA like never before. :wink:

 

[6spdterror]

This car will be a failure..mark my words. It will be fast, the fastest honda ever made, no doubt about it.. but i'm telling you, people will be turned off by the looks. They'll look and think "meh..." and then they'll find out its a honda and completely dismiss it.

What was so special about the NSX? You looked at it and thought "who makes that?! definately not Honda.. it is way too exotic looking." so they liked it right off the bat. Sure the 290HP wasn't impressive anymore by the late 90s, but the looks made up for it...

And let's be real, who's gonna pull up with their new NSX and say "my car does 2 seconds faster on the Nuremberg track than yours does!" "i'm sorry but is that an RSX you're driving?"

What you're forgetting is that the NSX was also a huge failure. Like Vance said......most of these cars arent money makers for their manufacturers. They're sold as Halo cars to display engineering and technological advancements with said car company. I admit the original NSX has that "wow" factor, that ....."OMG what is that?!?!" factor. But none of us really know what the new car will look like as yet on paper or in person so i guess time will tell.

 

[iNSXwannabe]

What you're forgetting is that the NSX was also a huge failure. Like Vance said......most of these cars arent money makers for their manufacturers. They're sold as Halo cars to display engineering and technological advancements with said car company. I admit the original NSX has that "wow" factor, that ....."OMG what is that?!?!" factor. But none of us really know what the new car will look like as yet on paper or in person so i guess time will tell.

yes, but what makes an exotic car last longer than the others? the looks. The NSX will be extremely fast (ASSUMING Honda does what they say they will do) but for...6 months? 1 year? until Audi comes out with something faster? or whoever the manufacturer may be?

and then if it doesn't have the looks, like the NSX did, it'll be dismissed in a few short years... for what? a claim that it is the fastest car...for...the time being? bleh.

ok back to the forum topic of it being rare... haha.

 

[BD]

yes, but what makes an exotic car last longer than the others? the looks. The NSX will be extremely fast (ASSUMING Honda does what they say they will do) but for...6 months? 1 year? until Audi comes out with something faster? or whoever the manufacturer may be?

and then if it doesn't have the looks, like the NSX did, it'll be dismissed in a few short years... for what? a claim that it is the fastest car...for...the time being? bleh.

ok back to the forum topic of it being rare... haha.

Here is the question, define "fast."

Is this car going to do 3.5 nil - 60? It should, would it have a top speed of 241 like the McLaren F1? No. What it will do is to take the NSX's performance up a notch on the track.

So far, we have a GTR that can do great time, but Nissan wouldn't let you under the warrantee. We have a ZR-1 with traction problems a launch.

All this new Honda needs to do is to make it reliable, low maintenance, faster than the GT-R and ZR1, the point will stick, regardless the sales number. It's a halo car, a statement car, and it will be the easiest super car to drive on the road and on the track. Honda will design this car to "allow" any one to extract the most out of it, just like the NSX.

 

[davidf]

I can only say, I don't feel anything close to the excitment as I did in 1991.:frown:

 

[liftcontrol]

I can only say, I don't feel anything close to the excitment as I did in 1991.:frown:

Don't forget, you are also some 18 odd years older and more mature. You are unlikely to show or feel the same excitement for many different things, not just a new or upcoming car.:wink:

 

[BD]

Don't forget, you are also some 18 odd years older and more mature. You are unlikely to show or feel the same excitement for many different things, not just a new or upcoming car.:wink:

That is so on the money. I haven't been excited about cars for years. After I got my second NSX, I was done. Not that I wouldn't consider another super car, but excitement level is down. I wonder if they have car equivalent of Viagra...lol

 

[White92]

Don't forget, you are also some 18 odd years older and more mature. You are unlikely to show or feel the same excitement for many different things, not just a new or upcoming car.:wink:

Not me. I still have the same excitement level that I had the first time I saw a picture of the NSX. I think it's the same as the first time I saw boobies. :wink:

 

[liftcontrol]

Not me. I still have the same excitement level that I had the first time I saw a picture of the NSX. I think it's the same as the first time I saw boobies. :wink:

What you feel when you see boobies is genetically hard wired into you and I must say most of us guys are the same in that regard; what you feel when you see a car is learned bahavior/acquired taste.

Some guys like cars, other guys couldn't care less.

I will say this however, the thought of an NSX replcement, and that a 10 cylinder normally aspirated screamer from HONDA san is far more likely to cause my pupils to dilate and get the old heart racing than say a new Corvette or Z or yet another AMG.

 

[nsxotic911]

Can't wait to finally see what happens. You know that people have been talking about the NSX replacement since.. what.. at least 1997

 

[Plamaka]

Ok, so peeps be gentle with me. I'm a rookie to the game, though I have been a member to the site for quite some time. I haven't had the opportunity to purchase my first NSX yet, though I'm looking for the right one as we speak.

My question is what are the execs at Honda thinking, if the car we're seeing in testing is supposed to be their flagship supercar? It's an ok looking car-granted. Not a flagship supercar. Wouldn't it make sense to make a cheaper "Gallardo killer?" From a marketing standpoint, to me, this is a no-brainer. Honda could have a supercar with the stats of a Gallardo, and inherently competing with the ZR-1, GT-R, Viper, new Supra (if there ever is one), as well. It seems to me as the Gallardo's price climbs, and the ZR-1's as well, there's a space in the 125k range for an AWD, Mid-Engine Honda which could really knock at the heels of the Gallardo buyer, be inexpensive enough that they could put up better sales than that of the Gallardo, and the ZR-1, especially since it will be the new kid on the block. I would really like to hear a good "devil's advocate" response to why the NSX, couldn't be an "LP 560-4" equal, or better for less money.

 

[enkrypt3d]

do u think they will have this car at the LA Auto show this year? Or at the Tokyo auto show?

 

[liftcontrol]

Ok, so peeps be gentle with me. I'm a rookie to the game, though I have been a member to the site for quite some time. I haven't had the opportunity to purchase my first NSX yet, though I'm looking for the right one as we speak.

My question is what are the execs at Honda thinking, if the car we're seeing in testing is supposed to be their flagship supercar? It's an ok looking car-granted. Not a flagship supercar. Wouldn't it make sense to make a cheaper "Gallardo killer?" From a marketing standpoint, to me, this is a no-brainer. Honda could have a supercar with the stats of a Gallardo, and inherently competing with the ZR-1, GT-R, Viper, new Supra (if there ever is one), as well. It seems to me as the Gallardo's price climbs, and the ZR-1's as well, there's a space in the 125k range for an AWD, Mid-Engine Honda which could really knock at the heels of the Gallardo buyer, be inexpensive enough that they could put up better sales than that of the Gallardo, and the ZR-1, especially since it will be the new kid on the block. I would really like to hear a good "devil's advocate" response to why the NSX, couldn't be an "LP 560-4" equal, or better for less money.

Reasonable thought. In fact , I believe that if the NSX replacement does use both the upcoming V10 and V8, that the V8 version may well be priced like the ZR-1 or the Viper. If the V10 produces the supposed 600HP and HONDA is able to squeeze out 450 or so HP from the V8, and given that the upcoming car is to be relatively light at around 3300 lbs or so, we could have a legitimate fighter at our hands.

Best of luck with your upcoming purchase of the elegant NSX.

 

[liftcontrol]

do u think they will have this car at the LA Auto show this year? Or at the Tokyo auto show?

I would guess that IF this car is shown, that it will be shown at the TOKYO auto show BUT that is only if HONDA does decide to sell ACURA badged models in JAPAN. Otherwise, it will likely show up in an auto show elsewhere in the world but LA is unlikely as I do not think they are ready to show the car quite yet.

 

[MAJOR STONER]

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