baynsac
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NSXPRIME is great tool but except how Lud protects the vendors and doesn't allow the other members really express how they feel about the vendors they are dealing with. He always protecting the vendors and gives you infractions one after another just for expressing your opinions based on facts. I had my own thread trying to help out other members with a deal I found and Vance comes on to it and stirs things up and I get 6 infractions and he gets none. All I did was answer his questions and defended myself.
I even have the email from lud saying that he sees that its vance doing all the dirt but he says that me defending myself isnt a good enough excuse for me insulting him back thus I get 6 infractions and vance gets 1. He is been doing this since I complained about SOS not only to me to others here also. Not just that he did the same to vance when he was complaining about SOS at the same time as me. Here is vance email all about it (below). Lud goes out of his way to protect the vendors but does nothing for all the people ripped of by these same vendors. I don't think its his job to get into it but at the same time he should do the same when it comes to protecting the vendors he doesn't need to be involved in that also.
He did the same to vance back just 6 months ago.. Now to me since I speak out when I get bad service even if its a big nsx vendor. I wouldn't be suprised that I will get suspended all together soon also for doing the right thing.....
I saw the posts you two have made between Prime Admin. If you were making the argument in my behalf, thank you. If not, thank you even more. I have noticed few people are willing to call out SOS, and those few who did were pushed out of Prime. I believe the reason that I haven’t been suspended was due to the fact that I had concrete evidence of what SOS/Chris/Cantrell was doing to people, and many Prime members witness the thread; therefore, he couldn’t just suspend me immediately.
I just want to tell you a few things why I’m so ticked off at SOS.
First off:
When I first join the community, I started my Type R conversion. I wanted to buy the Fujitsubo Header listed on the SOS website. After calling SOS, Chris gave me bunch of BS regarding the Fujitsubo header and tried to sell me his own DC Sports knock off. He went as far as bashing the product I want and tells me his header is better. At first, I wasn’t sure if it was a knock off, so I contacted the DC Sports to see if SOS were just rebranding the header; the reason behind my phone call was because in case I do purchase that header, I can still have the DC Sports warrantee. That turn out not to be the case. The SOS header was just a rip-off of the DC Sports header without their permission. I confronted him about it, but Chris just stop answer my e-mails. He had absolutely no knowledge of the Fujitsubo header listed on his website.
Second incident:
I was looking for Type R seats, Chris again tried not to sell them to me even though they are listed on his website. He tried to sell me the Recaro Pole Position by telling me it is the same as the Type R seat.
Third incident:
When I was selling the Type R gauge replica faceplate, he came on my thread and make some unwanted comments. I told him to fuck off and never going to another vender’s thread, and he, his buddies, and Prime Admin attacked me. In fact, I was suspended for a month.
This particular incident, the Prime admin removed my posts. I screamed at him on one of the thread and telling him to put every thing back together. Lud put every thing back after 4 hours of my post, but split them into three threads. So the information was twisted to Chris’s advantage. If you have seen the other thread, I was attacked again by SOS buddies and all posts requires Admin’s approval, which made it impossible for me to defend my self. The thread you’re involved in was completely twisted by Lud so I look like the bad guy. Obviously, you can see that I provided all the evidence and Lud still look the other way. He went as far as threaten me in a form of permanent bang. SOS and Cantrell screwed three of my friends but Prime Admin did not care. All he cares about is the donations to his pocket regardless of what’s going on. Chris tried to play it off as bad O2 sensors; I was trying to prevent the guy from wasting any time and money with that. Chris has the habit of using O2 sensors for all exhaust related blunders.
SOS Dirts:
Chris lists stuff he cannot get, personal experience. Detief of Procar told me that Chris tried to make a deal with him for Type R parts, but Detief refused. Chris tried to buy the Type R suspension, seats, and brake system but failed and yet he still have them listed on his website.
Chris and Cantrell merged.
My friend Andy ordered the Sorcery body kit through Chris/SOS, after Sorcery Japan confirmed the shipment, Andy did not get the product for over a month after it was shipped out of Japan. It turned out that Chris was having Cantrell making a copy of the kit. Andy confronted him and forced him to ship the kit. The result was – SOS lost the deal with Sorcery, and Cantrell was able to copy the front bumper and front fenders without spending a dime.
Cantrell Concepts:
Their Endura exhaust was Taitec GT lightweight knock off, except it cost more and about twice the weight. Chris made a big deal about how much R and D was spend but my friend Dan from Seattle called him out on it.
Cantrell NSX Header was another Taitec Knockoff, except the workmanship quality was so bad that people actually loose HP with it, and yet Chris is telling the world that it will give NA2 NSX 20HP gain. After this incident, he still have it listed on the website unchanged.
Cantrell Concepts sold Downforce a used NSX. The car turned out to be previously cut in half and the car was undrivable. Will Cantrell did not disclose to Downforce. After Peter/DF confronted him, he blocked DF phone calls and stop answering e-mails. Until today, DF is still hurting financially over that purchase.
Cantrell Concepts does not develop NSX parts, every thing the make are knock off of other brands, in associate with SOS.
SOS Stroker kits:
The kit has all kinds of problems, spun bearing, rocker issues, engine blowing up, and yet he still sell the package as if it is a well developed system. He is doing the R&D on customers cars, hit and miss with the installation (by using other shops) and charge the extra costs to the customers.
My IM with Procar -
VANCE HU: Got your e-mail
VANCE HU: what do you think?
Detlef Welsch: Hi, you are right.
VANCE HU: Chris has some issues
VANCE HU: Lie too much
Detlef Welsch: The CC headers are copies from Taitec, I have had the same thoughts.
Its really funny how much customers hold to Chris.
He has a big lobby, thats for sure.
VANCE HU: Well, people are waking up to that
Detlef Welsch: I hope so
VANCE HU: It's sad to see that in the community. The 3.8 stroker kit is nothing but problems
VANCE HU: NSXSUPRA put it best, it's OK to replicate, but don't take the credit for R & D
Detlef Welsch: I know.
My experiences with SoS were not that good, also my friend Dirk, the guy who has the biggest NSX spare part here in europe makes the same experience.
I wonder why he has all the DF parts at his webside.
Doesnt Cantrell produced cf stuff for hime at earlier times
VANCE HU: some people on prime think I'm evil because I don't like SOS and I openly talk about it.
VANCE HU: local guys like me
VANCE HU: lol
Detlef Welsch: Chris isnt creative enough IMO.
But you can see that you got him.
Detlef Welsch: Surely all vendors have problems sometimes.
Its impossible making all customers happy, but in the most cases a bit of babysitting is very helpful.
VANCE HU: Well, Southern California has the biggest NSX community of any place. My friends are financially hurt because Chris's misleading advertisement
VANCE HU: my previous experience was bad too. We talked about this before, he advertised items he can't get, and push stuff that he knocked off
Detlef Welsch: I can understand that.
You wrote me another message about that months ago, I saved that.
VANCE HU: Either way, I think People's out look on Chris is not the same any more. Did you see the thread of another person's complaint?
VANCE HU: Oh well, life goes on
VANCE HU: So have you start the Gallardo stuff?
Detlef Welsch: As wrote before, CHris has a lot of supporters, but I wonder where they are into that thread.
VANCE HU: Peter wants to move out of the NSX community and start on Porsches, but I don't know how he can break into that market
Detlef Welsch: Well, Porsche parts surely sells better than Honda parts, but the new models are perfect, so no urgent need for that.
VANCE HU: Most of the Chris supportors never buy anything major, cheap stuff like emblems, filters, JIC suspension. Few actually had their cars worked on at SOS shop
I even have the email from lud saying that he sees that its vance doing all the dirt but he says that me defending myself isnt a good enough excuse for me insulting him back thus I get 6 infractions and vance gets 1. He is been doing this since I complained about SOS not only to me to others here also. Not just that he did the same to vance when he was complaining about SOS at the same time as me. Here is vance email all about it (below). Lud goes out of his way to protect the vendors but does nothing for all the people ripped of by these same vendors. I don't think its his job to get into it but at the same time he should do the same when it comes to protecting the vendors he doesn't need to be involved in that also.
He did the same to vance back just 6 months ago.. Now to me since I speak out when I get bad service even if its a big nsx vendor. I wouldn't be suprised that I will get suspended all together soon also for doing the right thing.....
I saw the posts you two have made between Prime Admin. If you were making the argument in my behalf, thank you. If not, thank you even more. I have noticed few people are willing to call out SOS, and those few who did were pushed out of Prime. I believe the reason that I haven’t been suspended was due to the fact that I had concrete evidence of what SOS/Chris/Cantrell was doing to people, and many Prime members witness the thread; therefore, he couldn’t just suspend me immediately.
I just want to tell you a few things why I’m so ticked off at SOS.
First off:
When I first join the community, I started my Type R conversion. I wanted to buy the Fujitsubo Header listed on the SOS website. After calling SOS, Chris gave me bunch of BS regarding the Fujitsubo header and tried to sell me his own DC Sports knock off. He went as far as bashing the product I want and tells me his header is better. At first, I wasn’t sure if it was a knock off, so I contacted the DC Sports to see if SOS were just rebranding the header; the reason behind my phone call was because in case I do purchase that header, I can still have the DC Sports warrantee. That turn out not to be the case. The SOS header was just a rip-off of the DC Sports header without their permission. I confronted him about it, but Chris just stop answer my e-mails. He had absolutely no knowledge of the Fujitsubo header listed on his website.
Second incident:
I was looking for Type R seats, Chris again tried not to sell them to me even though they are listed on his website. He tried to sell me the Recaro Pole Position by telling me it is the same as the Type R seat.
Third incident:
When I was selling the Type R gauge replica faceplate, he came on my thread and make some unwanted comments. I told him to fuck off and never going to another vender’s thread, and he, his buddies, and Prime Admin attacked me. In fact, I was suspended for a month.
This particular incident, the Prime admin removed my posts. I screamed at him on one of the thread and telling him to put every thing back together. Lud put every thing back after 4 hours of my post, but split them into three threads. So the information was twisted to Chris’s advantage. If you have seen the other thread, I was attacked again by SOS buddies and all posts requires Admin’s approval, which made it impossible for me to defend my self. The thread you’re involved in was completely twisted by Lud so I look like the bad guy. Obviously, you can see that I provided all the evidence and Lud still look the other way. He went as far as threaten me in a form of permanent bang. SOS and Cantrell screwed three of my friends but Prime Admin did not care. All he cares about is the donations to his pocket regardless of what’s going on. Chris tried to play it off as bad O2 sensors; I was trying to prevent the guy from wasting any time and money with that. Chris has the habit of using O2 sensors for all exhaust related blunders.
SOS Dirts:
Chris lists stuff he cannot get, personal experience. Detief of Procar told me that Chris tried to make a deal with him for Type R parts, but Detief refused. Chris tried to buy the Type R suspension, seats, and brake system but failed and yet he still have them listed on his website.
Chris and Cantrell merged.
My friend Andy ordered the Sorcery body kit through Chris/SOS, after Sorcery Japan confirmed the shipment, Andy did not get the product for over a month after it was shipped out of Japan. It turned out that Chris was having Cantrell making a copy of the kit. Andy confronted him and forced him to ship the kit. The result was – SOS lost the deal with Sorcery, and Cantrell was able to copy the front bumper and front fenders without spending a dime.
Cantrell Concepts:
Their Endura exhaust was Taitec GT lightweight knock off, except it cost more and about twice the weight. Chris made a big deal about how much R and D was spend but my friend Dan from Seattle called him out on it.
Cantrell NSX Header was another Taitec Knockoff, except the workmanship quality was so bad that people actually loose HP with it, and yet Chris is telling the world that it will give NA2 NSX 20HP gain. After this incident, he still have it listed on the website unchanged.
Cantrell Concepts sold Downforce a used NSX. The car turned out to be previously cut in half and the car was undrivable. Will Cantrell did not disclose to Downforce. After Peter/DF confronted him, he blocked DF phone calls and stop answering e-mails. Until today, DF is still hurting financially over that purchase.
Cantrell Concepts does not develop NSX parts, every thing the make are knock off of other brands, in associate with SOS.
SOS Stroker kits:
The kit has all kinds of problems, spun bearing, rocker issues, engine blowing up, and yet he still sell the package as if it is a well developed system. He is doing the R&D on customers cars, hit and miss with the installation (by using other shops) and charge the extra costs to the customers.
My IM with Procar -
VANCE HU: Got your e-mail
VANCE HU: what do you think?
Detlef Welsch: Hi, you are right.
VANCE HU: Chris has some issues
VANCE HU: Lie too much
Detlef Welsch: The CC headers are copies from Taitec, I have had the same thoughts.
Its really funny how much customers hold to Chris.
He has a big lobby, thats for sure.
VANCE HU: Well, people are waking up to that
Detlef Welsch: I hope so
VANCE HU: It's sad to see that in the community. The 3.8 stroker kit is nothing but problems
VANCE HU: NSXSUPRA put it best, it's OK to replicate, but don't take the credit for R & D
Detlef Welsch: I know.
My experiences with SoS were not that good, also my friend Dirk, the guy who has the biggest NSX spare part here in europe makes the same experience.
I wonder why he has all the DF parts at his webside.
Doesnt Cantrell produced cf stuff for hime at earlier times
VANCE HU: some people on prime think I'm evil because I don't like SOS and I openly talk about it.
VANCE HU: local guys like me
VANCE HU: lol
Detlef Welsch: Chris isnt creative enough IMO.
But you can see that you got him.
Detlef Welsch: Surely all vendors have problems sometimes.
Its impossible making all customers happy, but in the most cases a bit of babysitting is very helpful.
VANCE HU: Well, Southern California has the biggest NSX community of any place. My friends are financially hurt because Chris's misleading advertisement
VANCE HU: my previous experience was bad too. We talked about this before, he advertised items he can't get, and push stuff that he knocked off
Detlef Welsch: I can understand that.
You wrote me another message about that months ago, I saved that.
VANCE HU: Either way, I think People's out look on Chris is not the same any more. Did you see the thread of another person's complaint?
VANCE HU: Oh well, life goes on
VANCE HU: So have you start the Gallardo stuff?
Detlef Welsch: As wrote before, CHris has a lot of supporters, but I wonder where they are into that thread.
VANCE HU: Peter wants to move out of the NSX community and start on Porsches, but I don't know how he can break into that market
Detlef Welsch: Well, Porsche parts surely sells better than Honda parts, but the new models are perfect, so no urgent need for that.
VANCE HU: Most of the Chris supportors never buy anything major, cheap stuff like emblems, filters, JIC suspension. Few actually had their cars worked on at SOS shop
