Corona Virus

[91 X]

Whilst positive for China, its not going to be the same in the western world. We have not seen this type of virus before so our ability to develop our own antibodies is far weaker than in China were similar ‘escapes’ have been seen and controlled quickly. Our bodies natural defences do not currently recognise the shape of the virus so cannot attach and defend as they do in China.

I’m not a chemist, and I don’t know where your biochemist obtains his data to make the claims. The western word has a worst case projection of up to 80% of the population unless everyone adopts self isolation fast. I think he probably meant most people will only have a mild condition rather than immunity.

Most of Europe is in lock down with many major towns & cities requiring you to complete an online request to travel for groceries and medicines. I wish everyone well, and like everyone, I hope the scientists around the world find a way to control/contain C19 within the next year.

Please take care of everyone and leave some groceries on the shelves for those helping others in the frontline, our doctors, our nurses and delivery drivers, all of whom are going to working even harder than normal for the foreseeable future.

Be safe, be well and roll on Coffee & Cars 2021

Well it seems like there is more articles and scientists talking about how most of the population must be immune to this covid-19 and the antibodies in the blood of the people who are mostly immune to this disease might be the best cure for those who get seriously sick from it.

Obviously that doesn't mean we should all just go back to work tomorrow, but it is promising news....ABC Worldnews Tonight had a story about it today which is niece to see some good news once in awhile.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...es-could-show-true-scale-coronavirus-pandemic

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/we-know-enough-now-to-act-decisively-against-covid-19/

https://www.wired.com/story/an-old-source-for-potential-new-covid-19-drugs-blood-serum/

 

[docjohn]

good summary...https://apple.news/ACoT5Ron2QDeFtaT...ive_id=cover_story-3:dailyMail_coverStoryBody

 

[docjohn]

As an aside from my casual reading of covid news I suspect that folks on inhaled steroids for copd/asthma are at greater risk of morbidity/mortality.....therefore if you or friends/relatives are on chronic inhalers I would stress to them the need for supreme vigilance in isolating...

 

[91 X]

good summary...https://apple.news/ACoT5Ron2QDeFtaT...ive_id=cover_story-3:dailyMail_coverStoryBody

I don’t know if I would call that “good” more like scary af

 

[docjohn]

The general populace needs to be a little more scared....

 

[docjohn]

My wife was in sam's today......she had her mask and gloves on ....only 3 others with masks..otherwise you would never know there was a pandemic going on...6 feet shmeet....more like 6 inches....

 

[Hass]

My wife was in sam's today......she had her mask and gloves on ....only 3 others with masks..otherwise you would never know there was a pandemic going on...6 feet shmeet....more like 6 inches....

We have been using instacart from Kroger and Costco. We pay the $7-10 service fee to avoid careless people.

 

[docjohn]

instacart in our area is understaffed.....

 

[goldNSX]

My wife was in sam's today......she had her mask and gloves on ....only 3 others with masks..otherwise you would never know there was a pandemic going on...6 feet shmeet....more like 6 inches....

How was the reaction of the staff, customers?

When I go for my weekly shopping I'm the only one wearing a mask (a luxury FFP2) and gloves, also the only one desinfecting the handles of the shopping cart. The reactions of the other customers are kind of those in Japan IF you would wear NO mask while having a cough in the bus/subway. Maybe some think I have Covid-19 and go shopping regardless. At least the dumbest idiots now care about keeping a distance of more than 6 feet from me. So social distancing works at least. The staff does not wear masks either and some of them seem to envy me because I have one and they don't (or are not allowed to put one on). At least the staff is wearing gloves while filling the shelves (but they were wearing some in past as well).
On the parking lot, some 'lechers' have been staring my procedure how I put the shopping bags in the car, desinfecting everything to keep the virus off the steering wheel etc. Same procedure at home but with no spectators, I just want to keep the virus out of me house.

Since the beginning, our government tries us to convince to NOT wear a mask (they say it's useless if all would wear one) but the only reason for that is the LACK of masks overall. They fear that they run out of masks in the hospitals where they are needed most (see Spain, Italy).

The most sarcastic thing about the virus is that he's not fair: the majority of the careless dumbasses will likely get away with it if they catch it while it would be my certain OFF.

Stay safe.

 

[signalpuke]

Since the beginning, our government tries us to convince to NOT wear a mask (they say it's useless if all would wear one) but the only reason for that is the LACK of masks overall. They fear that they run out of masks in the hospitals where they are needed most (see Spain, Italy).

It is useless to wear one. Just look at all the Chinese and Italian and now Spanish health providers coming down with it.
Doctors aren't wearing your Home Depot mask around SARS or Ebola.
The general doctor/nurse/etc is burning through dozens of the Home Depot masks a day just on their daily routine to prevent themselves from spitting on patients.
The government didn't say to not buy the masks since the beginning. They said to stop panic shopping a hoarding them like three weeks ago. Also doesn't help that China turned all international contracts for production of them into domestic orders, so the insurance and hospital and even Home Depot didn't have the stock they were expecting to have last month, much less this month.

 

[goldNSX]

The German government (minister of health) for example recommended: build your own mask with whatever you find at home. Better than nothing. The ones with Covid-19 can avoid spilling it with a mask. As it's unsure who has it, the logic is that all should have a mask.
A FFP2/3 mask is much more effective than an average Home Depot mask. You have to protect your eyes as well of course.

 

[signalpuke]

I was talking about the supply shortage for health providers in general that use one mask per patient.
The public doesn't need these, or if they want them, they can make their own.
The media should have told everyone to do this, and to make their own washable masks. Like the old cloth diaper for babies before everyone just bought disposable ones.
That's why Asian countries have a decent handle on this, they wear home made masks regularly. Especially if their primary mode of transportation is moped or train or bus. The public already had masks. The disposable masks were for medical use. They burnt through them in January, and chocked the rest of the world, as they were the main producer.

 

[goldNSX]

That's why Asian countries have a decent handle on this, they wear home made masks regularly.

They don't use 'home made' masks. Maybe you mean out of their local production. Private households in Asian countries already had these commercially available masks in stock and used them for several years because they are expected to wear them during the ordinary flu period every year. And also because of SARS, so they already have plenty of them.

There are plenty of masks around the world but sadly only produced in one region due to globalisation. If China is able to produce 12 complete emergency hospitals (not barracks) out of thin air within only three days, they are able to multiply the production of masks in the same way.

The EU is on a stress test now because they block each other exporting masks, even the ones that arrive from China and have to go through a different EU country first. Expect that for the US too.

Of course, one could say that you're not allowed to wear a mask or have to build one on your own just because you didn't have one in the past. I for myself don't have to have a guilty conscience because a relative sent me some from Asia (yes, they were expensive). The fact the rest of the world doesn't have enough masks due to a government fail to stock them years ago and the necessity to have them in medical centers first drives them to the lie of the propaganda department that they are useless (at least they try to make us believe that they are) which is simply not true. Or did China ever state they're useless? No, they didn't and they know why.

 

[Spottwd]

Yes, dying from COVID-19 isn't something to strive for and that approximately 2,146 have died in the US this year. But, please remember that at this time last year (end of Week 13 of 2019), 5,146 folks in the U.S. had died of the "regular" old influenza (CDC data).

So, wash your hands and don't do stupid things.

 

[RYU]

In my opinion, the majority of the westernized world (excluding S.Korea, Singapore, and other countries with SARS, MERS, etc experience) is in deep doodoo, if that isn't obvious already. Here's some context.

I have an old college friend who moved to China to start an amazing craft beer company, started her own hip restaurants, and trendy clubs. She really hit that business boom there. She posted this to us. She just returned to Shanghai after spending time with family here in LA.

We arrived home to Shanghai after a 50+ hour journey including a fancy partial police escorted ride in an ambulance to the Pudong Quarantine Hospital and overnight stay. Here's the thing, although the US talks so much shit about China, what I witnessed in terms of dedication to ensuring the safety and health of all citizens is leagues beyond anything that I can imagine US being able to pull off. When I left LAX for Taipei transfer and Shanghai, there were only 20% if even that of staff at LAX airport wearing masks. This is in stark contrast to the hazmat suits that greeted us in Shanghai and 100% of everyone wearing masks in Taipei and China. Here's our journey for those of you that might be interested in what it takes to get back into China these days (even for someone who has lived there 15 years already!)3/19 Departure from LAX 11:45pm
3/21 5am arrival TPE
Transfer to flight to SHANGHAI PVG
10:30am arrival in PVG
11:30am de plane in groups of 10, temperature check, documentation of health and declarations, screening of passport on where you have been last 14 days
1:00pm sent to separate area for another temperature check because Alba had stuffy nose / cough which developed in flight (we declared this)
2:00pm Informed we will need to go to the quarantine hospital for having any symptoms and will need to await testing there
2:30pm Fancy ride to the ambulance with partial police escort for Pudong Datong Hospital
3:00pm registration / doc visit
4:00pm CT Scan for both Alba and I ordered (they couldn’t get her to do it so they ended up doing X-ray instead)
5:00pm blood test and more waiting
6:00pm COVID THROAT swab test (informed we may need to wait 48 hours for the result

7:30pm taken to our room in quarantine center of hospital. Newly repaired old building to serve as quarantine center. It’s pretty bare and no running hot water or shower, but nurses guards SHDC workers everyone is trying their best to be nice and answer our questions. We are allowed to order food / supplies in by delivery which is delivered by SHDC worker
3/22 Next day, when we asked about any news, they just said we had to wait until tests came back and they would update us
9:00pm informed to pack our things and the we would be sent to our destination in Xuhui (were we going home? or to a quarantine hotel? we prayed we would be allowed to do home quarantine)
9:00pm Javi was visited at our Shanghai home by local authorities checking if it was suitable for home quarantine. He was informed if he wanted to stay home, he would need to do 14 day quarantine with us. As we already were prepared for this situation, he left immediately to stay with a friend
11:00pm arrived home escorted to our home by local authorities
11:30pm visit by SHDC and given explanation of quarantine, more forms, signed docs to verify our understanding and compliance, given numbers of doctors who would be responsible for our case. Given procedures for how we can receive deliveries / get rid of trash etc.
It was a thoroughly exhausting trip! But we are relieved to be doing quarantine in our own home and quite frankly, happy to comply with authorities to do our 14 days. We have been visited by a doctor twice a day to check our symptoms and temperature.
I'm posting this because I think people should think about what it is going to take to get this disease under control and what kind of resources it takes to get to see the results China is citing for their virus counts.
Stay the fuck home and flatten the curve, because although it's already late, its never too late to save more lives. #covid19 #homequarantine #flattenthecurve

I've always wondered when our hubris would trigger the end of our way of life. At least I've thought about how our own blindness to what's happening around the rest of the world will cause a decline in our perceived greatness (aka. MAGA!) ... I've thought about these things as some of you may have as well. I just had no idea, not in a million years, it would be a virus. Just seemed like it was too Hollywood. Now the news is filled with anti-China claims about using fake data blah blah blah. Sure... but the numbers are so big already... who really cares about semantics at this point.

If this really is some deep "state" or "cabal" doing... it's brilliant in a horrific way. The Forever Trumpers are certainly convinced of this. Sigh....

Stay safe everyone!

 

[docjohn]

Did you just watch war of the worlds....with Tom Cruise??????:tongue:

 

[Hass]

instacart in our area is understaffed.....

We are having the same issue now. Luckily smaller chain groceries in our city still has adequate staffing.

 

[RYU]

Dude... The War of The Worlds series on EPIX is actually rather good. I'm hooked. New episode comes out tonight.

Did you just watch war of the worlds....with Tom Cruise??????:tongue:

 

[goldNSX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byk3pA1GPgU

The legend of the chessboard. The no. of infections in the US is about on square no. 18 right now, the no. of deaths are about on square no. 12. Just a relation we use to hear that a normal flu kills x'xxx per year. Covid-19 just started and its death rate is certainly higher than the 'normal' flu. The no. of Covid-19 deaths won't count all those deaths due to other emergency cases which can't be treated while the the health system collapses. It's really time to shut it down.

My father flew back from Asia on Monday with one of the very last flights. But the hassle really depends from A to B for sure. The trip was no hassle at all. Now he's in a self-imposed quarantine for another 10 days from now and let's hope all remains well.

 

[Hass]

Yes, dying from COVID-19 isn't something to strive for and that approximately 2,146 have died in the US this year. But, please remember that at this time last year (end of Week 13 of 2019), 5,146 folks in the U.S. had died of the "regular" old influenza (CDC data).

So, wash your hands and don't do stupid things.

Curious how many of the 5,146 were infected prior to January 20th (1st case of Covid19 confirmed). How many of the 5,146 died in areas Covid has not been affected yet? How many cases of the regular flu were there at the that time? Those are key questions to ask when comparing flu to Covid 19.

There are many that have died without confirmation if It was a result of Covid-19. What frightens me is the 18% death rate on cases which had an outcome.

 

[docjohn]

Dude... The War of The Worlds series on EPIX is actually rather good. I'm hooked. New episode comes out tonight.

The aliens in their technological advantage hubris overlooked our gut flora.....so tiny and insignificant......hmmmmmm

 

[RYU]

The aliens in their technological advantage hubris overlooked our gut flora.....so tiny and insignificant......hmmmmmm

That's silly. That *would* NEVER happen

 

[docjohn]

That is the crux of the matter! Who cares about microscopic sugar coated rna........:frown:.............every actively infected person is spewing a invisible aurora borealis of virion...

 

[Spottwd]

Flu Data from 2009

Curious how many of the 5,146 were infected prior to January 20th (1st case of Covid19 confirmed). How many of the 5,146 died in areas Covid has not been affected yet? How many cases of the regular flu were there at the that time? Those are key questions to ask when comparing flu to Covid 19.

There are many that have died without confirmation if It was a result of Covid-19. What frightens me is the 18% death rate on cases which had an outcome.

CDC data by year and week since 2009.

Go down to Pneumonia and Influenza (P&I) Mortality Survey and View Chart Data.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2016-2017/data/NCHSData37.csv

Good luck and play with data to your heart's content. Other data splits available here, too.

 

[signalpuke]

They don't use 'home made' masks.

Yes they do. Outside of Japan, the majority of Asia uses a cloth mask to keep the sun off their face and dust out of their mouth. Majority of them are made in a local home or small business that does it all by hand with a simple sewing machine, and they sell them on the side of the road.
I'm not talking about n95 if it wasn't clear from my first post, just basic face masks.
Nobody needs an n95 mask execpt for the medical workers. Are they seeing a 10x traffic now? I doubt it.
I don't know why the insurance companies aren't providing better information regarding who needs this equipment to their customers, the hospitals that they're insuring, and provide purchasing guidance or locale data of where to ship current supplies to...