Get the Blue one (I have no idea if one of them is blue--- I just like blue). Those are solid deals. Congrats. At those discounts, only a 911 Turbo S is a comparable value--- and the NSX is way more special/unique.
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Call me crazy, but if like something at price 1.0*X, I like it more at 0.7*X, and get really excited at 0.5*X. What's the point? All things equal, lower price is always better. But a $100K NSX would not be equal to actual 2.0 NSX. So you guys are, in fact, arguing that they should have made a totally different car, which is a bit silly, no? "I don't like that horse at $200, but call me if you have a cow to sell for $125."
There is a huge faction that wants a $60K-100K "NSX". This is not surprising considering that most of the owners up here bought the NSX second-hand. Wait for the mini-NSX it is in fact going to be released...
Regardless, the first gen and second gen are proving that Honda's branding is not going to move an ultra-premium priced halo car in the arena of Corvette or 911 sales numbers. That's the reality of the market. Even if it was only $100K and with a modest ~400 hp to reflect the lower price, it would never sell like any of the established sports cars brand. The NSX was never meant to be a best seller.
Regardless, the first gen and second gen are proving that Honda's branding is not going to move an ultra-premium priced halo car in the arena of Corvette or 911 sales numbers. That's the reality of the market. Even if it was only $100K and with a modest ~400 hp to reflect the lower price, it would never sell like any of the established sports cars brand. The NSX was never meant to be a best seller.
You'd never purchase a new 991 Turbo S for 18% off MSRP.....I wouldn't trade my '15 Turbo w/7500 miles even up/straight across for a new '17 NSX after
spending the better part of a morning checking one out a month ago.
There is only one reason a new car is discounted like the above deal (s)....because nobody wants to buy them regardless of how wonderful etc etc
The magic of the Gen 1 car is missing for me & I owned a bunch!
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As I've said before, if people have not owned a 911 Turbo yet, then getting one prob makes more sense than an NSX. I assume >=50% of Gen 2 buyers already have (or have had) a 911 of some sort.
But what are you going to get next (or in addition)? A 991.2 Turbo? At some point, variety is its own "feature."
But what are you going to get next (or in addition)? A 991.2 Turbo? At some point, variety is its own "feature."
Exactly. No magic. Great car but it just doesn't create a spark in the pants.:biggrin:
i actually disagree with both of you guys.. this is coming from a guy that had a gt2 and new gt3rs in the last 8 months. Acura eff'd up on the launch.. they were making too many "non" pre-orders and all these dealers were doing massive mark ups, it was just a big disaster. This car was meant for the 160-170k range and if they just stuck to the game plan "made to order" then it would have been a huge success. Seeing a new NSX at 230-40k wasn't fun and pretty much turned everyone away from it. I was really interested in the car at MSRP but once i saw more and more inventory... i pretty much knew that the whole markup game will bite all dealers in the ass. If Acura & dealers just stuck with the game plan of making them to order and keeping inventory low with selling at MSRP.. we would be complaining that we couldn't get one
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yup, two ways of saying the same thing...
i have to agree with them, and disagree with you also.
if the 2017 NSX is everything some would like to believe it is, then buyers would be snapping them up at any cost (ala Porsche, Ferrari, etc.), but buyers are not...
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That’s not how it works. It's not a graph and it does not predict “what sport cars should cost in 10 years” (or anything else for that matter). It uses monthly data from the past from the CPI (Consumer Price Index) recording changes in prices actually paid by consumers for a representative basket of goods and services (from cars to food to medical care, etc.). So it uses recorded historic data to calculate what $X dollars in the past would be in terms of $X dollars today, not 10 years from now, and regardless of era. It means buying power at any given moment, whether 1917 or 2017 companies have for sale the best they could offer the market at that moment in time. Likewise, how much money you have available determines what you can buy/afford at that moment in time. The market affects inflation rates and inflation affects the market...and it is in fact very relevant in order to price your product accordingly within your brand’s capacity, in order to succeed.
That’s not how it works. It's not a graph and it does not predict “what sport cars should cost in 10 years” (or anything else for that matter). It uses monthly data from the past from the CPI (Consumer Price Index) recording changes in prices actually paid by consumers for a representative basket of goods and services (from cars to food to medical care, etc.). So it uses recorded historic data to calculate what $X dollars in the past would be in terms of $X dollars today, not 10 years from now, and regardless of era. It means buying power at any given moment, whether 1917 or 2017 companies have for sale the best they could offer the market at that moment in time. Likewise, how much money you have available determines what you can buy/afford at that moment in time. The market affects inflation rates and inflation affects the market...and it is in fact very relevant in order to price your product accordingly within your brand’s capacity, in order to succeed.
Yeah whatever, some people pay huge money for big honkin' trucks. Whatever floats your boat as they say I guess.
Hmm.. a bit confused on your response, but my main point is that the new NSX was not setup for success. The potential buyer for the new NSX is limited. This is due to the price point and lack of brand recognition. Yes there are people who paid ~200k, and now others are getting "deals" at invoice or better- but this is still a very specific/unique consumer.
HaHa if you want a 100K nsx...you can buy a pristine 04-05:tongue:....the new car will move when they figure out a nifty lease......part of the log jam is that a lower percent of luxury car buyers, actually buy the car.....many only rent.
They are all over. Cars.com find the one you want and call them. eBay has one 180kmsrp for 165
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I'd like to know where these 30 to 35k bargains are at as well. I've been trying to buy a Valencia Red or White fully loaded one with stickers of 206k or about 200k sticker. The best that I've been able to negotiate is invoice. I'm a serious buyer at the right price. Anyone know where the deals are?
You guys who want to buy the car are simply not looking hard enough. We get calls from dealers quite often asking if we wanted one and all of them are willing to deal with significant discounts.
This is a special car for a very special buyer. This is great car but may not be the right car for those who are "brand snobs"
We drove one the other day and it attracts WAY more attention than the McLaren however the Lambo we bet 50/50 since the sounds the bull make with the race exhaust just turns heads even from Grandma's! haha
We found this statement interesting from one poster:
2) Hybrid drivetrain. Like others, he thought that the car's ICE could have been tuned to a point where it could have provided similar performance as what exists in its current incarnation with the hybrid drivetrain without the added weight, complexity and cost. One aspect that I wasn't aware was that he believed that in the used marketplace, the hybrid drivetrain would diminish its desirability.
We agree here that the hybrid power train is both the car's marketing strength and also it's weakness. There is so much tech on this car that over time, it's guaranteed to get dated compared to a simple ICE motor. Just as with a Prius there are questions of the battery's life and eventual replacement costs?
This is a special car for a very special buyer. This is great car but may not be the right car for those who are "brand snobs"
We drove one the other day and it attracts WAY more attention than the McLaren however the Lambo we bet 50/50 since the sounds the bull make with the race exhaust just turns heads even from Grandma's! haha
We found this statement interesting from one poster:
2) Hybrid drivetrain. Like others, he thought that the car's ICE could have been tuned to a point where it could have provided similar performance as what exists in its current incarnation with the hybrid drivetrain without the added weight, complexity and cost. One aspect that I wasn't aware was that he believed that in the used marketplace, the hybrid drivetrain would diminish its desirability.
We agree here that the hybrid power train is both the car's marketing strength and also it's weakness. There is so much tech on this car that over time, it's guaranteed to get dated compared to a simple ICE motor. Just as with a Prius there are questions of the battery's life and eventual replacement costs?
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The update
There are a lot of eyes on the 30 cars sold in July 2017 situation at Acura
The Specialist was kind of down about the situation, knowing what a great car it is
No new lease deal in sight
The test drives have been getting a lot of folks experience with the car
There seems to be a struggle in how to reach the right customer
Expect to see new NSXs parked at sporting venues soon (my guess would be football) as they want the car to be seen by the well heeled fans and star athletes
He did not know if Cubs star Kris Bryant received his car yet
The first car repaired at the PMC is back with it's owner. Acura may do a press release to highlight that they are the ones getting the cars back to full factory spec.
The crashed car Acura purchased at auction is still parked in Torrance
They expect a lot of drives at Monterey
The Specialists will be at NSXPO
They were not familiar with the short survey about use of the paddle shifters
They did not know about the big HP gain seen by Fabspeed by changing to their exhaust and was impressed by the amount of gain
To buy a GT3 you will deal directly with HPD. There may be some ability to customize those cars.
The GT3 cars will be built at PMC
There are a lot of eyes on the 30 cars sold in July 2017 situation at Acura
The Specialist was kind of down about the situation, knowing what a great car it is
No new lease deal in sight
The test drives have been getting a lot of folks experience with the car
There seems to be a struggle in how to reach the right customer
Expect to see new NSXs parked at sporting venues soon (my guess would be football) as they want the car to be seen by the well heeled fans and star athletes
He did not know if Cubs star Kris Bryant received his car yet
The first car repaired at the PMC is back with it's owner. Acura may do a press release to highlight that they are the ones getting the cars back to full factory spec.
The crashed car Acura purchased at auction is still parked in Torrance
They expect a lot of drives at Monterey
The Specialists will be at NSXPO
They were not familiar with the short survey about use of the paddle shifters
They did not know about the big HP gain seen by Fabspeed by changing to their exhaust and was impressed by the amount of gain
To buy a GT3 you will deal directly with HPD. There may be some ability to customize those cars.
The GT3 cars will be built at PMC
So the gt3 cars are track only spec correct?
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Correct
Anymore details on those? Such as weight, powertrain, etc?
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We didn't get into it.
I found a blurb with a few more details.
On top of the $543K to score one, you have to buy $100K of spare parts (I guess that makes sense for real racers)
The GT3, which sends power from a twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter V-6 engine to the rear wheels via a six-speed sequential racing gearbox, will be available to customers with the raw look of a bare carbon-fiber body. The GT3’s chassis and engine are built right here in the United States at the Performance Manufacturing Center (PMC) in Marysville, Ohio, as they share plenty of architecture with the production NSX; final assembly takes place at JAS Motorsport in Italy.
I found a blurb with a few more details.
On top of the $543K to score one, you have to buy $100K of spare parts (I guess that makes sense for real racers)
The GT3, which sends power from a twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter V-6 engine to the rear wheels via a six-speed sequential racing gearbox, will be available to customers with the raw look of a bare carbon-fiber body. The GT3’s chassis and engine are built right here in the United States at the Performance Manufacturing Center (PMC) in Marysville, Ohio, as they share plenty of architecture with the production NSX; final assembly takes place at JAS Motorsport in Italy.
I'm still a potential customer and I understand the point behind the car. Having traded out my RLX Sport Hybrid, I'm missing the Hybrid drivetrain. The question is, if I get a significantly less than MSRP deal, is it worth selling both my 1 of 513 6MT CTS-V wagon and 1G NSX to make it happen? Is the 2G NSX special enough to replace both? It's a question only I can answer, and it will take a test drive. So far, I've had no opportunity for such.
If there are going to be specialists at NSXPO, I'd love to finagle my way into a test drive while I'm there. I won't buy I car I can't test drive.
If there are going to be specialists at NSXPO, I'd love to finagle my way into a test drive while I'm there. I won't buy I car I can't test drive.
Make sure to seek me out at NSXPO...........
Thanks, Bob. I will. See you in a few weeks.
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