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Why the second Generation NSX is a phenomenal car...

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[FONT=&quot]First - let me say that the first experience I had with a Gen 2 NSX was mediocre. It was at Dream Racing in Las Vegas Nevada - hot lapping at Las Vegas motor speedway. My expectations were sky high, and my impressions however, down to earth. You see, for starters, this NSX #548 had spent most of its poor life as a rental being flogged on a racetrack. The brakes were beat, it had so many warning/error lights/messages it could give an epileptic a seizure, and the tires were right on the cusp of needing replacement. While I loved the driving position, the feel of the steering wheel, the seats, the controls, and the dashboard display - the power delivery was strange, it seemed underpowered, the car was too easy to drive and I seemed to drift and slide around every hard turn from lack of grip. Frankly - it was uninspiring, and left me cold. Little did I know - it was just that tired, battered car.

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Fast forward to today. I own a 2017 #146 with only 800 miles on the odometer - but this will grow quickly as it is my primary car. While I haven't had the car long - I am so unbelievably impressed with this Acura I felt compelled to share it with the word... or at least this forum. Before I go any further, let me start by sharing a little background information since i'm new to this forum. I have logged close to 80 track days and have previously owned a Gen 1 NSX - amongst an array of different cars over the year - everything from a compound charged Lotus Elise, to an Ariel Atom, AP1 S2000, Z06, five Dodge Vipers (including a 1000HP twin turbo), a Murcielago, an Audi R8 and the list goes on. The intent of sharing the aforementioned line up is not an effort to brag, but since i'm new here and you folks don't yet know me - I felt it was important to share my prior experience with an array of high performance cars so that you know i'm not coming from a place of sheer ignorance.

Now back on topic - this Gen 2 Acura NSX - it’s really a stunning piece of engineering. Today I drove the new 911 Turbo S and an Audi R8 V10 Plus, and put about 85 miles on my NSX in the process and after the day full of test drives, I couldn’t be happier with my decision. It’s remarkable how tame, quiet and easy to drive the NSX is in the standard (sport) mode. It’s about as easy to drive as an Acura TL, and there’s zero drama, loud noises, harsh ride or other meaningful negatives - but it still has incredible responsiveness and precision steering with lightning reflexes, so you know you’re driving something special. If you want the power - there’s enough to embarrass a Ferrari 458 with a stomp of your foot, but it requires a firm and deliberate input - like pinning the throttle to the floor, which frankly I like.

Driving around town and cruising on the freeway you don’t want to give a car 30% throttle and have the thing go bonkers and drop a bunch of gears and initiate hyperspace, you want it to be gentle, low strung and elegantly fast. The entire game changes though, with a turn of a knob when, you put it in Sport + mode (second most aggressive). The car never shuts off the gas motor, the display changes into a more aggressive layout and Mr. Hyde comes out. The suspension hunkers down, the gears keep to an ideal torque band and right off the line it has tremendous power even with small inputs. The urgency level is extremely high and it just begs you to let it loose and drive aggressively with intent. The magazine articles i've read on the new NSX often mention how this car far more than any other had a complete personality change with a switch of a mode. Turning it to track mode (most aggressive) makes it almost as aggressive a driving experience as the 2015 Viper GTS it replaced and way more aggressive than a new Audi R8 V10 Plus Or 911 Turbo S - it’s frankly not something that shouldn't be engaged unless you’re actually on a track, as at least with my lack of self control it just is impossible to be in that mode and not do stupid things. On the other hand, the Audi R8 V10 Plus, regardless of mode is aggressive, loud, rough and high strung in comparison. The Porsche 911 Turbo is too gruff and torquey to be relaxed and the exhaust - regardless of mode is boomy, which I find incredibly annoying. While I could go into tremendous detail as to what I did/didn't like about these two cars - i'll stick to the topic at hand, the belle of the ball - the NSX.[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]The brilliance and wonder of the NSX is not at all it’s sheer or total performance - and this is where I feel like magazines and the internet have it all wrong. While its performance capabilities are ludicrously high - there are a few cars that around its price range offer as good, or better performance and the expectation from the media (and many others) was this new NSX was going to be data sheet crushing - which is not the nature of the model. Remember, NSX = New Sports car Experience. The pull of the car isn’t it’s character - even though it’s dripping with character (in my opinion) and it has far more character than the 911 Turbo S - perhaps not as much as the Audi R8 with that 8,500 RPM revving V10 or the McLaren 570s. It’s not even the tech, of which it has more than any other car in the world sub $800K that i'm aware of. [/FONT]
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The absolute game changing and class dominating magic of the car, and to what in my eyes makes it the most spectacular engineering marvel available on wheels lies solely in one knob - Dynamic Mode. There is no other supercar (or any car) you can turn on it's just a spectacular “normal car" with absolutely zero drama, barely even drives like a sports car (unless you push it) - but if/when you need it - still leaving it in this standard "sport" mode - it has monstrous power and phenomenal handling. The standard mode (Sport) is the perfect homage to the original NSX in that way - it’s an easy to approach and live with supercar that sacrifices just a little absolute performance and feel for the sake of balance.

The Sport + and Track settings however - through the use of wild technologies (electric motors, adjustable suspension, torque vectoring, trick AWD, dozens of computers, etc), sacrifice nothing in terms of performance, feel and passion and to me actually exceed the excitement, response and performance of most cars in and above it’s class. The cars that do best it and offer more driver involvement, audible delight, straight line speed, etc - only best it marginally more (5-7%) and are always in a hyper-stressed, rough riding and aggressive state, regardless of mode - making them tiresome and impractical to drive most of the time. The prospect of performing origami on myself to get into a "track weapon" to then get beat up and audibly shouted at for a 10 minute drive to the supermarket and back is laughable, which is precisely why many of these Ferrari's, Lamborghini's, McLaren's, etc don't have many miles on them. They also usually have a lot of issues, which are a hassle to deal with. I know both from personal experience, and from the experiences of many of my friends and colleagues.

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[FONT=&quot]The NSX offers exotic supercar looks that can rival nearly any car on the road, solid performance, and complete livability 100% of the time, but when you stumble onto a lovely road, or arrive at a race track flick a knob and access the overwhelming passion, excitement and shocking performance with ease. 95% of what you’d get in a heavily compromised track focused, unreliable specialty car you get with one or two turns of a knob! This is simply mind boggling. You see, a Ferrari or Lamborghini (or even a 911 Turbo S or Audi R8v10+) can only be that one car, that one persona all of the time, which gets old. Fast. The NSX on the other hand, offers a much more compelling value proposition. It is a car as engaging, exhilarating and visually stimulating as a Ferrari, Lamborghini, R8 V10, etc - and all that is required to initiate that experience is one or two turns of a dial, otherwise - it's something entirely different, a relaxed, laid back GT coupe that in my experience, rivals a Lexus LC500 for its touring prowess. There's a reason nearly all Gen 1 NSX's have over 100K miles on them, many with more than 200K miles on them, which is unheard of with the aforementioned brands. While it's neat to have a supercar, it's not all that neat when you don't want to use it much. Having a unique looking, exotic mid-engined supercar you can enjoy driving on a day to day basis, whether it's a 10 minute grocery run, a 1 hour bumper to bumper commute or a 3 hour freeway jaunt to a racetrack, then with the flick of a knob drive 10/10th's and attack a race track and shame many uncomfortable, impractical track-focused cars - is simply remarkable. Better put - it's a New Sports car eXperience.

Footnote: It was also interesting that when I went to the Porsche and Audi dealerships, EVERYONE was ignoring the Porsche’s and the R8’s and were literally swarming around my car taking pictures. It actually really annoyed the salesmen at Porsche, and they "offered" to let me park inside the service garage where it would be “covered and protected” in a very bratty way, which made it really clear they didn’t want their customers eyes/interest in it. I told them I was fine with it outside and the guy made a face like I had just flashed him with my wee bits - then made another attempt by saying it looked like it might rain, to which I said "Well, it probably won't melt - and it'll be a good test to see if it does, before i'd have to brave the rain to get home anyways." Much to my entertainment (and their disdain) the entire time I was there, people were posing in front of my car taking pictures. The sales folks at Audi were lovely, and took quite a positive interest in the NSX, but then again - i've bought multiple cars from them, including an R8, so they know me pretty well.

My carbon fiber fantastic Casino White Pearl NSX (#146) with Red Interior.
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Superb write-up, you pretty much nailed everything about the car. It is a wonderful example of a sports car....JM2C...I could be wrong...hehehe
 
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What an articulate review and defense of the new NSX. Thank you for sharing. I've only ridden in one (on the track) but can attest to how crazily it can be driven.
 
[FONT=&quot]First - let me say that the first experience I had with a Gen 2 NSX was mediocre. It was at Dream Racing in Las Vegas Nevada - hot lapping at Las Vegas motor speedway. My expectations were sky high, and my impressions however, down to earth. You see, for starters, this NSX #548 had spent most of its poor life as a rental being flogged on a racetrack. The brakes were beat, it had so many warning/error lights/messages it could give an epileptic a seizure, and the tires were right on the cusp of needing replacement. While I loved the driving position, the feel of the steering wheel, the seats, the controls, and the dashboard display - the power delivery was strange, it seemed underpowered, the car was too easy to drive and I seemed to drift and slide around every hard turn from lack of grip. Frankly - it was uninspiring, and left me cold. Little did I know - it was just that tired, battered car.

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Fast forward to today. I own a 2017 #146 with only 800 miles on the odometer - but this will grow quickly as it is my primary car. While I haven't had the car long - I am so unbelievably impressed with this Acura I felt compelled to share it with the word... or at least this forum. Before I go any further, let me start by sharing a little background information since i'm new to this forum. I have logged close to 80 track days and have previously owned a Gen 1 NSX - amongst an array of different cars over the year - everything from a compound charged Lotus Elise, to an Ariel Atom, AP1 S2000, Z06, five Dodge Vipers (including a 1000HP twin turbo), a Murcielago, an Audi R8 and the list goes on. The intent of sharing the aforementioned line up is not an effort to brag, but since i'm new here and you folks don't yet know me - I felt it was important to share my prior experience with an array of high performance cars so that you know i'm not coming from a place of sheer ignorance.

Now back on topic - this Gen 2 Acura NSX - it’s really a stunning piece of engineering. Today I drove the new 911 Turbo S and an Audi R8 V10 Plus, and put about 85 miles on my NSX in the process and after the day full of test drives, I couldn’t be happier with my decision. It’s remarkable how tame, quiet and easy to drive the NSX is in the standard (sport) mode. It’s about as easy to drive as an Acura TL, and there’s zero drama, loud noises, harsh ride or other meaningful negatives - but it still has incredible responsiveness and precision steering with lightning reflexes, so you know you’re driving something special. If you want the power - there’s enough to embarrass a Ferrari 458 with a stomp of your foot, but it requires a firm and deliberate input - like pinning the throttle to the floor, which frankly I like.

Driving around town and cruising on the freeway you don’t want to give a car 30% throttle and have the thing go bonkers and drop a bunch of gears and initiate hyperspace, you want it to be gentle, low strung and elegantly fast. The entire game changes though, with a turn of a knob when, you put it in Sport + mode (second most aggressive). The car never shuts off the gas motor, the display changes into a more aggressive layout and Mr. Hyde comes out. The suspension hunkers down, the gears keep to an ideal torque band and right off the line it has tremendous power even with small inputs. The urgency level is extremely high and it just begs you to let it loose and drive aggressively with intent. The magazine articles i've read on the new NSX often mention how this car far more than any other had a complete personality change with a switch of a mode. Turning it to track mode (most aggressive) makes it almost as aggressive a driving experience as the 2015 Viper GTS it replaced and way more aggressive than a new Audi R8 V10 Plus Or 911 Turbo S - it’s frankly not something that shouldn't be engaged unless you’re actually on a track, as at least with my lack of self control it just is impossible to be in that mode and not do stupid things. On the other hand, the Audi R8 V10 Plus, regardless of mode is aggressive, loud, rough and high strung in comparison. The Porsche 911 Turbo is too gruff and torquey to be relaxed and the exhaust - regardless of mode is boomy, which I find incredibly annoying. While I could go into tremendous detail as to what I did/didn't like about these two cars - i'll stick to the topic at hand, the belle of the ball - the NSX.[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]The brilliance and wonder of the NSX is not at all it’s sheer or total performance - and this is where I feel like magazines and the internet have it all wrong. While its performance capabilities are ludicrously high - there are a few cars that around its price range offer as good, or better performance and the expectation from the media (and many others) was this new NSX was going to be data sheet crushing - which is not the nature of the model. Remember, NSX = New Sports car Experience. The pull of the car isn’t it’s character - even though it’s dripping with character (in my opinion) and it has far more character than the 911 Turbo S - perhaps not as much as the Audi R8 with that 8,500 RPM revving V10 or the McLaren 570s. It’s not even the tech, of which it has more than any other car in the world sub $800K that i'm aware of. [/FONT]
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The absolute game changing and class dominating magic of the car, and to what in my eyes makes it the most spectacular engineering marvel available on wheels lies solely in one knob - Dynamic Mode. There is no other supercar (or any car) you can turn on it's just a spectacular “normal car" with absolutely zero drama, barely even drives like a sports car (unless you push it) - but if/when you need it - still leaving it in this standard "sport" mode - it has monstrous power and phenomenal handling. The standard mode (Sport) is the perfect homage to the original NSX in that way - it’s an easy to approach and live with supercar that sacrifices just a little absolute performance and feel for the sake of balance.

The Sport + and Track settings however - through the use of wild technologies (electric motors, adjustable suspension, torque vectoring, trick AWD, dozens of computers, etc), sacrifice nothing in terms of performance, feel and passion and to me actually exceed the excitement, response and performance of most cars in and above it’s class. The cars that do best it and offer more driver involvement, audible delight, straight line speed, etc - only best it marginally more (5-7%) and are always in a hyper-stressed, rough riding and aggressive state, regardless of mode - making them tiresome and impractical to drive most of the time. The prospect of performing origami on myself to get into a "track weapon" to then get beat up and audibly shouted at for a 10 minute drive to the supermarket and back is laughable, which is precisely why many of these Ferrari's, Lamborghini's, McLaren's, etc don't have many miles on them. They also usually have a lot of issues, which are a hassle to deal with. I know both from personal experience, and from the experiences of many of my friends and colleagues.

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[FONT=&quot]The NSX offers exotic supercar looks that can rival nearly any car on the road, solid performance, and complete livability 100% of the time, but when you stumble onto a lovely road, or arrive at a race track flick a knob and access the overwhelming passion, excitement and shocking performance with ease. 95% of what you’d get in a heavily compromised track focused, unreliable specialty car you get with one or two turns of a knob! This is simply mind boggling. You see, a Ferrari or Lamborghini (or even a 911 Turbo S or Audi R8v10+) can only be that one car, that one persona all of the time, which gets old. Fast. The NSX on the other hand, offers a much more compelling value proposition. It is a car as engaging, exhilarating and visually stimulating as a Ferrari, Lamborghini, R8 V10, etc - and all that is required to initiate that experience is one or two turns of a dial, otherwise - it's something entirely different, a relaxed, laid back GT coupe that in my experience, rivals a Lexus LC500 for its touring prowess. There's a reason nearly all Gen 1 NSX's have over 100K miles on them, many with more than 200K miles on them, which is unheard of with the aforementioned brands. While it's neat to have a supercar, it's not all that neat when you don't want to use it much. Having a unique looking, exotic mid-engined supercar you can enjoy driving on a day to day basis, whether it's a 10 minute grocery run, a 1 hour bumper to bumper commute or a 3 hour freeway jaunt to a racetrack, then with the flick of a knob drive 10/10th's and attack a race track and shame many uncomfortable, impractical track-focused cars - is simply remarkable. Better put - it's a New Sports car eXperience.

Footnote: It was also interesting that when I went to the Porsche and Audi dealerships, EVERYONE was ignoring the Porsche’s and the R8’s and were literally swarming around my car taking pictures. It actually really annoyed the salesmen at Porsche, and they "offered" to let me park inside the service garage where it would be “covered and protected” in a very bratty way, which made it really clear they didn’t want their customers eyes/interest in it. I told them I was fine with it outside and the guy made a face like I had just flashed him with my wee bits - then made another attempt by saying it looked like it might rain, to which I said "Well, it probably won't melt - and it'll be a good test to see if it does, before i'd have to brave the rain to get home anyways." Much to my entertainment (and their disdain) the entire time I was there, people were posing in front of my car taking pictures. The sales folks at Audi were lovely, and took quite a positive interest in the NSX, but then again - i've bought multiple cars from them, including an R8, so they know me pretty well.

My carbon fiber fantastic Casino White Pearl NSX (#146) with Red Interior.
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sir are you saying in your report that your nsx has a harsh ride?
 
What an articulate review and defense of the new NSX. Thank you for sharing. I've only ridden in one (on the track) but can attest to how crazily it can be driven.

Thanks! I have some more thoughts I’ve been collating and will update in a week or two as I get more wheel time with the car.

Overall, I’m extremely impressed. Acura hit the nail on the head with this one.

The launch control is also tremendous fun and due to the initial hard launch being all electric driven - it doesn’t beat up the car/transmission/clutch like other systems. Brilliant engineering, and great fun to get passenger reactions from.
 
Nice write-up and review. Glad to hear you're enjoying your new car. What Vipers did you own?

I’ve had five vipers - so every incarnation save for the GTS-R. This NSX replaced a gunmetal pearl 2015 Viper GTS. Great driving car, but simply miserable in traffic, around town - on backroads with any toughness to the roads, or when the weather is less than 60 degrees as the tires simply cannot handle the torque so you either have to drive it like a little old lady (which isn’t pleasant) or be at constant attention catching the back end and counter steering like mad.

I love Vipers, but after living with so many, I’m over it. FWIW - the NSX would pants the Viper in most acceleration tests and certainly feels faster.
 
Thanks for the review! I'm glad you spent some time describing the multiple personality in enough granular detail. That was a big aspect of the car I hear from some owners but wasn't apparent enough for me to experience in my short 30min test drive.

Now let me ask you a question... Having driven say a 458 or a 650S, at their limits, which car would you choose for sheer crack induced bliss on short stints? Does the new NSX give up too much in this regard or no?
 
Thanks for the review! I'm glad you spent some time describing the multiple personality in enough granular detail. That was a big aspect of the car I hear from some owners but wasn't apparent enough for me to experience in my short 30min test drive.

Now let me ask you a question... Having driven say a 458 or a 650S, at their limits, which car would you choose for sheer crack induced bliss on short stints? Does the new NSX give up too much in this regard or no?

Honestly - they’re just not comparable cars in my opinion. The NSX is a car you could, and SHOULD drive and enjoy daily - and when YOU feel like it, turn a knob and enter jet fighter mode.

The 458 is not as easy to live with, doesn’t feel as fast (and it isn’t), but makes some really magical sounds. On a race track - it’s more fun than a new NSX, but mainly due to the exhaust/motor sound and feedback from the chassis - but again, the sound is the biggest value prop, which really adds to the excitement and urgency. Bottom line, it’s a better experience at 10/10’s than the NSX, but only by ~5% tops. It’s worth noting, from the stats I’ve read, the 458 is slower on the track though. I’ll be taking my NSX out with the Ferrari guys in a few months and can report back.

The 650s is another animal entirely. It’s much, much faster than both the NSX and the 458. From the seat of the pants - you can REALLY feel it. Personally I’m not in love with the sound of the 650s and the overall car is inferior than the 570S which is a more appropriate competitor to the NSX, but you asked about the 650s so I’ll stick to that. The McLaren is going to provide a better experience at 10/10ths than the NSX as well due to its shocking speed, incredible handling and amazing chassis feel due to the carbon tub - which makes a big difference. Again though - the superiority is marginal, maybe ~7%.

When you’re driving 10/10ths, 5-7% one way or the other really doesn’t mean much. Frankly - others may argue the NSX has a better experience by ~5-7% based on the wild feel of the front electric motors digging out of a corner, or the superior steering wheel (makes a difference) or tighter gear ratios with 9 gears (which makes a difference on tight, twisty backroads) or all wheel drive grip, or magical balance/feel - or the sound of the turbos and blow off valves.

Again though, they’re not fair comparions. The 650s - and frankly ALL McLaren’s are riddled with issues. I know more than a dozen McLaren owners, many have/had multiple and every single one has has issues. One even has a P1, which has been very troublesome. They’re usually not issues that’ll leave you stranded - but even the McLaren service depts will admit they have their share of problems. This is not a daily driver and it’s not a trouble free experience.

Maintenance and running expenses are also a big issue. No matter if you drive 5 miles or 10k - the yearly service for a McLaren is a minimum of $2,250, there is about $2k a year of issues you should expect (not covered under warranty) and an extended warranty is $4,700 a year which can only be purchased 2 years at a time. Ferrari’s are quite as bad, but not far off.

My first NSX Service was quoted at $250 and I bought a 10 year extended warranty for $3,840. Not even in the same zip code as the competition.

Scrap the upfront cost of the cars (if you can spend $207k on a car, you can probably spend ~$270k) - is the extra 5-7% increase in performance (McLaren) or experience (Ferrari) worth the hassle of small issues and unplanned service, and $9k a year of operating expenses (not including tires, gas, depreciation) versus the Acura’s $600? For me, no way - I bought the Acura, made a really nice donation to a charity (which I will repeat yearly) and I’m sure the combination of the two will bring me far more pleasure than a McLaren or Ferrari ever will. I’ll also drive my car WAY more than any of my friends will their McLarens, Ferrari’s etc.

They may have ~5% more fun a couple of times a year where they can actually drive at the limit for max of maybe 3-4 hours - but I’ll have hundreds of hours of more fun driving my NSX 100% of the time, while they drive their BMW 7 series and Mercedes S classes on a day to day basis. (No hate for tuna boats, my wife has a 7 series).

NSX for the win.
 
I’ve had five vipers - so every incarnation save for the GTS-R. This NSX replaced a gunmetal pearl 2015 Viper GTS. Great driving car, but simply miserable in traffic, around town - on backroads with any toughness to the roads, or when the weather is less than 60 degrees as the tires simply cannot handle the torque so you either have to drive it like a little old lady (which isn’t pleasant) or be at constant attention catching the back end and counter steering like mad.

I love Vipers, but after living with so many, I’m over it. FWIW - the NSX would pants the Viper in most acceleration tests and certainly feels faster.
So what Vipers did you own? Gen 1, Gen2 (RT/10 & GTS), Gen 2 ACR, Gen 2 GT2, Gen 3, Gen 3 ACR, Gen 4, Gen 4 ACR, Gen 4 ACR-X, Gen 5 SRT, Gen 5 GTS, Gen 5 TA, Gen 5 TA2, Gen 5 ACR-E - I'm sure i'm missing a few, but off the top of my head, that's more than 5 ;)

Only from a standing start would the NSX have a chance to beat a Viper in acceleration. Once rolling, the Viper's substantial HP & Torque advantage would give the Viper the edge, when the NSX doesn't have as much of an advantage from AWD or the electric motors and is relying on the 500HP ICE motor. Also on a road course, the Viper is significantly faster than an NSX. (Randy's 1:34.23 on Corsas & 1:35.78 on P-Zeros, vs' Randy's 1:36.36 in the NSX on much stickier P-Zero Trofeo-R tires).

Thanks for the review! I'm glad you spent some time describing the multiple personality in enough granular detail. That was a big aspect of the car I hear from some owners but wasn't apparent enough for me to experience in my short 30min test drive.

Now let me ask you a question... Having driven say a 458 or a 650S, at their limits, which car would you choose for sheer crack induced bliss on short stints? Does the new NSX give up too much in this regard or no?
IMO - 458 for the sound and spirit, or 650 for brutal Turbo-NSX feel. Both of which feel a lot more exotic than the NSX, which does a great job balancing the ability to be as docile as an Accord, and as effortless and mostly proper to drive on track.
 
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So what Vipers did you own? Gen 1, Gen2 (RT/10 & GTS), Gen 2 ACR, Gen 2 GT2, Gen 3, Gen 3 ACR, Gen 4, Gen 4 ACR, Gen 4 ACR-X, Gen 5 SRT, Gen 5 GTS, Gen 5 TA, Gen 5 TA2, Gen 5 ACR-E - I'm sure i'm missing a few, but off the top of my head, that's more than 5 ;)

Only from a standing start would the NSX have a chance to beat a Viper in acceleration. Once rolling, the Viper's substantial HP & Torque advantage would give the Viper the edge, when the NSX doesn't have as much of an advantage from AWD or the electric motors and is relying on the 500HP ICE motor. Also on a road course, the Viper is significantly faster than an NSX. (Randy's 1:34.23 on Corsas & 1:35.78 on P-Zeros, vs' Randy's 1:36.36 in the NSX on much stickier P-Zero Trofeo-R tires).

IMO - 458 for the sound and spirit, or 650 for brutal Turbo-NSX feel. Both of which feel a lot more exotic than the NSX, which does a great job balancing the ability to be as docile as an Accord, and as effortless and mostly proper to drive on track.

Vipers I’ve owned: 97 GTS, 99ACR, 03 Vert twin turbo, ‘08 ACR, 15 GTS

The NSX is faster than the viper from more than just a standing start - especially the ACR’s with the crazy aero, which really slow down at speeds north of 100. The Viper is lighter and has more HP/TQ than many cars it gets smoked by. Why? Well for one, it has huge gear ratios and with variable value timing and a powerband that really comes alive up high - it’s hard to get it in the right gear at the right time, quickly. Second, the transmission isn’t that great compared to a C7 Z06, GT3, etc and it’s slow to move when milliseconds matter. Third, traction is always an issue. I was manhandled by a few cars (new M5, etc) that I should have been able to dust from a 100mph roll, because I’d lose traction and the tail would be wiggling when quickly floored - even at that speed. Lastly, shifting - especially that transmission takes time - a lot of time when you’re talking about racing side by side at a roll, off the line, etc. The new Porsche GT3 in a manual is more than 1/2 second slower to 60 than the PDK and the gap only widens from there. Same story for Corvette Z06’s and all other manual vs auto cars.

Once in gear, tires locked up and with the right conditions - the Viper is stunning. Unfortunately - that’s a lot of stars to line up. If the moderators ever approve my posts (I have several queued up) I can share many photos of track days and such, where even at Laguna - I’d be overtake on the straight by a Nissan GTR that could rocket around 11 and carry way more speed through the turn.

Quoting a professional driver who drove the cars at just one track, and on different days is largely irrelevant in my eyes. For one, if you actually go to Laguna and drive that track regularly (I’m there at least 6X a year) you know conditions can vary dramatically - not just in terms of weather, but also in terms of the actual track surface. If you are on the track a day after it’s been used for motorcycle racing or a motorcycle track day, it’s super slippery. Other times it’s freshly groomed and prepped for an upcoming race - and once in awhile, you get to it right after the big boys have used it for serious racing and their sticky rubber is all over the track making your tires adhere better than ever before. This is also just one track and as we all know, different tracks can favor different cars, especially when it’s a short ~2 mile course. The best I ever did with the Viper at Laguna was a 1:39.2 - which is barely two seconds faster than what I did with a 420hp Audi R8.

It’s also a professional driver - which none of us (I think) are operating anywhere near Randy’s level. That’s akin to comparing what say, Sergey Brin can do with his computer, as opposed to your parents. It’s largely irrelevant. What is relevant is that ANYONE that can drive a Prius can easily click off quarter miles in the low 11’s with a 30 second primer on how to use the NSX’s launch control, and then can proceed to devastate canyons or violate a Viper on a freeway race with zero skill.

At the end of the day, if you took everyone on this forum and had them run the same tests (track times, 0-60, 60-80, 100-140) with a Viper and the NSX - I’d wager that the results would be a shocking landslide.

It’s easy to read magazine articles, look at spec sheets, or instrumented tests with controlled conditions - but it’s another thing to live with the car for years. I know exactly what my last 2015 Viper GTS is capable of and I know who I walked on the freeway during rallys and such, and who showed me their rear, much to my surprise (and shame).
 
Great write-up...thanks! I can't wait to get my hands on one! I will be trading in my R8 V10 spyder. My only hesitation is that the NSX is not a convertible.

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A modded Supra can out accelerate a Viper, but it doesn't mean it's livable or more desirable than an NSX. This dual nature the NSX possesses is not for everyone I suppose.
 
Great Job Indeed.
Well written and you captured essentially all my impressions. However, your experience and past (equally impressive) make them so much more qualified.
 
Vipers I’ve owned: 97 GTS, 99ACR, 03 Vert twin turbo, ‘08 ACR, 15 GTS

The NSX is faster than the viper from more than just a standing start - especially the ACR’s with the crazy aero, which really slow down at speeds north of 100. The Viper is lighter and has more HP/TQ than many cars it gets smoked by. Why? Well for one, it has huge gear ratios and with variable value timing and a powerband that really comes alive up high - it’s hard to get it in the right gear at the right time, quickly. Second, the transmission isn’t that great compared to a C7 Z06, GT3, etc and it’s slow to move when milliseconds matter. Third, traction is always an issue. I was manhandled by a few cars (new M5, etc) that I should have been able to dust from a 100mph roll, because I’d lose traction and the tail would be wiggling when quickly floored - even at that speed. Lastly, shifting - especially that transmission takes time - a lot of time when you’re talking about racing side by side at a roll, off the line, etc. The new Porsche GT3 in a manual is more than 1/2 second slower to 60 than the PDK and the gap only widens from there. Same story for Corvette Z06’s and all other manual vs auto cars.

Once in gear, tires locked up and with the right conditions - the Viper is stunning. Unfortunately - that’s a lot of stars to line up. If the moderators ever approve my posts (I have several queued up) I can share many photos of track days and such, where even at Laguna - I’d be overtake on the straight by a Nissan GTR that could rocket around 11 and carry way more speed through the turn.
Nice list of cars. However I disagree with you in that the downforce of the '08 ACR would make it slower than the NSX around a racetrack. There is far more lap time to be had in corners due to downforce than what is lost due to drag on the straights. Hence Randy drove an '08 ACR to a 1:35.12 and a 2010 ACR to a 1:33.91 around Laguna Seca. This is faster than the Gen V's 1:34.23 (on Corsas) and 1:35.78 (on P-Zeros), vs' Randy's slower 1:36.36 in the NSX on much stickier P-Zero Trofeo-R tires. Put Trofeo R's on the Viper and it'll be significantly faster. Heck, the NSX was slower than the GT350R Mustang (1:36.11).

Around a racetrack, the mentioned Vipers are faster than the NSX.

Quoting a professional driver who drove the cars at just one track, and on different days is largely irrelevant in my eyes. For one, if you actually go to Laguna and drive that track regularly (I’m there at least 6X a year) you know conditions can vary dramatically - not just in terms of weather, but also in terms of the actual track surface. If you are on the track a day after it’s been used for motorcycle racing or a motorcycle track day, it’s super slippery. Other times it’s freshly groomed and prepped for an upcoming race - and once in awhile, you get to it right after the big boys have used it for serious racing and their sticky rubber is all over the track making your tires adhere better than ever before. This is also just one track and as we all know, different tracks can favor different cars, especially when it’s a short ~2 mile course. The best I ever did with the Viper at Laguna was a 1:39.2 - which is barely two seconds faster than what I did with a 420hp Audi R8.
There is truth to differing conditions on differing days (or even during the same day). However, based off Randy's times, the MT test days tend to fall on fairly good days and you'd unlikely see too much faster of a lap time out of anyone in those cars at Laguna.

Different tracks do favor different cars, but the NSX has been consistently slower than a Mustang GT350R on over 3 different tracks.

IIRC, there's a guy on this forum who turned a faster lap than a 1:39.2 in a 280hp NSX. What tires were you running and what viper?

It’s also a professional driver - which none of us (I think) are operating anywhere near Randy’s level. That’s akin to comparing what say, Sergey Brin can do with his computer, as opposed to your parents. It’s largely irrelevant. What is relevant is that ANYONE that can drive a Prius can easily click off quarter miles in the low 11’s with a 30 second primer on how to use the NSX’s launch control, and then can proceed to devastate canyons or violate a Viper on a freeway race with zero skill.

At the end of the day, if you took everyone on this forum and had them run the same tests (track times, 0-60, 60-80, 100-140) with a Viper and the NSX - I’d wager that the results would be a shocking landslide.
Maybe not 'none'. :)

I don't care too much for straight-line racing. I guess what matters to an individual? What the car is capable of doing?, or what lap time an amateur journalist is capable of? or what car they can drive the fastest? The latter introduce so many variables that it's impossible to have any objective takeaway from the results. What is a little more objective is the fastest a given car was capable of going around a track. But then again, you can argue that in magazine or manufacturer claims, cars could (and have been) cheated up with non stock camber, racing seats, etc... that is not "off the showroom floor" stock. So as i'm sure you can agree, all of this is armchair bench-racing anyway.

Of course the reputability of launch control, AWD, and a DCT would make the NSX easier to launch than a Manual transmission, torquey Viper. If that's your cup of tea, then by all means. I'd probably agree with you that most people would win a drag race behind the wheel of an NSX than Viper.

Now things may get interesting to see who would be faster around a racetrack, a stock ACR, Gen V, or NSX (on the as-delivered Continentals). I might put money on it being pretty close to 50/50 or even in the ACR's favor (due to its better tires) than the NSX on Continentals. But for the true capability of each car, the NSX even on Trofeo-R tires (while still being a great car) is NOT faster than an ACR or Gen V around (i'd wager) most racetracks.

It’s easy to read magazine articles, look at spec sheets, or instrumented tests with controlled conditions - but it’s another thing to live with the car for years. I know exactly what my last 2015 Viper GTS is capable of and I know who I walked on the freeway during rallys and such, and who showed me their rear, much to my surprise (and shame).
I totally agree and hate most magazine reviews. MT is the one of the only ones to do a halfway decent job, but they still have some fundamentally flawed methods and test procedures that make some of their comparisons null and void. But they are far closer to the truth (and turn some pretty legit times) in most of their tests. -And that's much more reliable than subjective comments during freeway rallys.

fwiw, my comments are from tracking all discussed cars extensively, often back to back, and living with many of them.

At the end of the day, most owners can't get within a few seconds of the capability of any of these cars, and a good portion couldn't get within 10 seconds of the car's limit. So lap times shouldn't be the deciding factor for someone to buy a car unless its for bragging rights. Same thing for 0-60 figures or 100-140, unless you need to beat your buddy 100-140. Cars are so good these days that people should buy what they like and not care about what other people think.
 
Stuntman,
That's a lot to respond to - but a few points.

1. The NSX is not faster than the *capabilities* of a Viper ACR on most tracks - that was not the intent of my missive. In a straight line though - due to aero, the wicked fast 9 speed dual clutch, and the electric motor torque fill - the NSX will womp a lot of cars with superior power to weight ratios, like Vipers and C7 Z06's. Here's the NSX VS two C7 Z06's....


2. Trofeo's are great, but the NSX runs better on Pilot Sport Cup 2's - I drove one (not mine) on a track and was really shocked.

3. I'm not real interested in Randy's times. He's a pro. Grab ten average track day hero's and put them in a Viper - and see what happens. Put them in an NSX - and it's nothing but smiles and giggles. Just driving the Vipers to the track from the East Bay to Laguna Seca or Thunderhill is miserable and requires earplugs.

4. I have done a couple of track days with 350R's with the Golden Gate Lotus Club - and was able to walk them with a 2008 Audi R8. Perhaps it was the drivers, but at Laguna - I had no issues dispatching them. Again - it boils down to the car's ease of use and approachability. AWD mid engine cars are easy to go fast in.

5. They're all cool cars. GT350R's, Vipers, Gen 1 NSX's - they're all car's I'd be proud to own and have fun with on a track. Do they offer as comprehensive a package as the Gen 2 NSX? I certainly don't think so...
 
1. The NSX on TrofeoRs is slower than an ACR & even a Gen V on street Corsas. From a dig, most people would be faster in an NSX, but from a roll, I would be surprised if an NSX would beat a Gen V.

2. Cup2s are indeed better than your stock Continentals, but they're probably not faster than TrofeoRs.

3. As I said before, I'd venture to say most people would be faster in an ACR on track than an NSX on stock Continentals. But both opinions are just that.

4. I've seen miatas lap R8s and Ferraris on most track days. Does not mean anything.

5. As I said before, It doesn't matter what other people think as long as you're happy and enjoy your car. All cars mentioned are excellent machines.
 
OP: Enjoyed your post!

All of your points are in agreement here, we love the Mclarens and the Huracan for their own personality. The Vipers are a different breed all together and also a welcome treat. But if we had to grab the keys to go cross-country, the NSX is the car for the task!
 
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