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Fully Built Turbo Nsx 800 + HP "Coming Soon"

my nsx is supercharged 600hp and sparying 200+ hp direct nitrous ( 800+hp)
it has been since 2009 i have emptyed over 20 bottles with
stock sleeves stock bore 90mm (cp 9:8:1) never had any issues
with divertrain or sleeves
p,s my head is completly stock (valves-springs-cams) all i have is arp head studs that i used from a gsr that fit perfect for nsx fyi!
 
Na1 & Vegas

I appreciate all your knowledgeable input & realize this will be no easy venture I only started this thread as a teaser of what is to come with my build & what are expectations are.I didnt want to get in to full detail of all the mods because there are to many to list & that will be done with time under the build forum.I by no means am a mechanic or know anywhere close to what most of you here know about the Nsx But I have owned my car for over 20 years & I am surrounded by very knowledgeable people in the racing community that do nothing but put out high powered race cars .I understand that most of you guys think for some reason that Lovefab/ SoS/Autowave etc. are like the only few company's to trust with an Nsx .Their are many reputable local performance shops most of us never heard of before that are putting out extreme vehicles just because we own an Nsx doesn't make it totally different from every other car in the mechanics eyes its still a block with pistons/rods crank etc.

Also I would listen more to the ones that speak from actual drag racing experience here & that have actually ran anywhere near 10s/9s/or 8s doesn't matter weather it is a Civic /RX 7/or any other car for that matter they speak from experience .I could be wrong but you guys are just speaking from spending the money to have these high dollar engine builds with weak results on top of that what does that say for your build if it had to be done several times already. Back to main topic

Thank you all that wish me luck on my venture at the end of the day hopefully other future Nsx owners that arent as fortunate as some of us that can throw around $50,000 at a time for a engine build.I will hopefully help someone on a budget like myself achieve the same goals as you guys for a hell of a lot less.Weather or not I make it into the 9s I will get pretty close Im sure & still have a 800+ hp Nsx with all the bells & whistles for Thousands less than what you guys spent No Black card here .Call me BOB Baller on a Budget LOL
 
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Simple it hasn't been done because no one has tried. I haven't seen any very serious attempts at 9's. I'd hardly call the Factor X road car making a few passes a serious attempt at nines.

BTW to set the record straight, at the time they were 100% dedicated to chasing the 9's. It wasn't until after it determined it was no longer worth it, that they switched to developing their road car. I would think I would know the circumstances a lot better than you.
 
Na1 & Vegas I appreciate all your knowledgeable input & realize this will be no easy venture I only started this thread as a teaser of what is to come with my build & what are expectations are.I didnt want to get in to full detail of all the mods because there are to many to list & that will be done with time under the build forum.I by no means am a mechanic or know anywhere close to what most of you here know about the Nsx But I have owned my car for over 20 years & I am surrounded by very knowledgeable people in the racing community that do nothing but put out high powered race cars .I understand that most of you guys think for some reason that Lovefab/ SoS/Autowave etc. are like the only few company's to trust with an Nsx .Their are many reputable local performance shops most of us never heard of before that are putting out extreme vehicles just because we own an Nsx doesn't make it totally different from every other car in the mechanics eyes its still a block with pistons/rods crank etc.

Also I would listen more to the ones that speak from actual drag racing experience here & that have actually ran anywhere near 10s/9s/or 8s doesn't matter weather it is a Civic /RX 7/or any other car for that matter they speak from experience .I could be wrong but you guys are just speaking from spending the money to have these high dollar engine builds with weak results on top of that what does that say for your build if it had to be done several times already. Back to main topic

Thank you all that wish me luck on my venture at the end of the day hopefully other future Nsx owners that arent as fortunate as some of us that can throw around $50,000 at a time for a engine build.I will hopefully help someone on a budget like myself achieve the same goals as you guys for a hell of a lot less.Weather or not I make it into the 9s I will get pretty close Im sure & still have a 800+ hp Nsx with all the bells & whistles for Thousands less than what you guys spent No Black card here .Call me BOB Baller on a Budget LOL

I'll address this post to you and only you since I have absolutely no interest in the other posters who no idea what they are talking about. BTW, I did run a 10.7 in my NSX when it was at 650 whp/550 ft-lbs. Also I have said nothing of endorsement of LoveFab/SOS or any builder. My turbo build is by none of those companies so I know there are capable builders outside of them.

First things first, I've said this over and over and over again. I'm not saying you can't build an 800 whp NSX. It's been done by multiple people so I know it's completely possible.

Second, I'm not saying you can't do 9 seconds. Of course 9 seconds is possible.

Third, I'm positive you can get to 800 whp for a lot less money than I or others have spent. It's gotten easier and more cost effective to get bigger power as technology and knowledge base has improved. It's not going to cost millions of dollars to get to 800 whp, but it's not going to be cheap either.

Here is what it is I am saying and have been saying from the start.

First, while 800 whp is achievable, it's going to be a bit harder than you might expect. If you look at everyone's signature or do some searching on Prime you'll notice that almost everyone who is boosted is running at around 680 whp or less. Why are there no signatures with NSX's at 800 whp or 750 whp. That's not a coincidence. Even Danny who has a 1,000 whp NSX runs around the street detuned around 660 whp. Why? It's because there are a bunch of things that seem to creep up past that whp amount. That's not saying that's a magical number, it's just an approximation. I've seen probably a dozen NSX's that start to have certain problems or parts that break at around that number, including my own. Now of course, that's not to say you can't get past that. Of course you can, it will just cost you money. The problem is each time something goes wrong, the costs just keep adding up. Now, it's entirely possible that nothing could go wrong, some people run 550 whp on a stock engine. They are lucky because that's not the norm. For every person that can run over 500 whp on a stock engine, there are about 8 that couldn't. So I'm just saying, playing the odds, once you start to move past 650 whp or so, there is a high likelihood you will run into some issues. I hope you don't, but just something you should keep in mind. I could go into the details of what potential issues that could possibly come up, but I'd just be labeled as a Debbie Downer so I'll just keep them to myself.

Second, I think 9 seconds is completely do-able. But there is something about the NSX that just not like to do well at the drag strip. And what I mean by that is that it seems for the NSX to take a lot more work and money to get into the same times, much cheaper cars can get to the same times. Like I said, I could take a Civic, Evo, S2000, STI, Mustang, or Corvette to 9 seconds way easier than I can an NSX. HP is not the limiting factor in getting an NSX to 9 seconds. As I mentioned before Danny, Factor X, LoveFab and a few others have all built 900 whp+ NSXs and none of them were able to get to 9 seconds. Again, not that it can't be done, but if you look on paper a 1,000 whp NSX weighing in at only 3,000 lbs should easily get to 9 seconds, but it couldn't. There's a reason for that.

Finally, here's the thing about the price and cost. I know you can get to 800 whp for a lot less than other people have spent. But that's not the point. You are assuming that in the process EVERYTHING will go EXACTLY as planned. But that's the problem. I've been in this game long enough to know that NOTHING EVER goes exactly as planned. Something will ALWAYS happen, where it be human error, mechanical failure or just plain bad luck. If you all you have is enough money to just get to 800 whp what happens if something goes wrong? You will have a busted part and your car will sit idle for months. I've seen it time and time again. And that's the beef I have we these people who don't know any better. It's so easy for them to tell you to do this, and do that and how it's so easy. They've never had anything go wrong and have had to experience the frustrations of having your car sit idle. So they egg you on and tell you to push the envelope because what do they care? It's not their money. They could tell you to fly your car to the moon for all they care. And if your car does break, it's not them that will have to deal with it. You may get a sympathetic, "well that sucks" post on Prime, but you are the one who has to deal the costs and down time. It's on you, not them. I've got no vested interest on if you make 800 whp or not or if you make 9 seconds or not. All I know I've been in the turbo game for the NSX for almost 10 years now and have spent a lot of money. Too much money. I've blown up my engine multiple times, which is nothing to be proud of at all. However, if I could get one thing from blowing up my engine and spending too much money it would be experience and knowledge of that process. And if I can share that with someone else so they don't have to go through the same thing I did, well then at least I got something out of dumping money down the drain.

So having said that, I wish you good luck on your 800 whp build and really hope you get your 9 sec run. I think it is entirely possible to do. However, all I throw out there is some caution that unexpected things will come up and the process will be a bit harder and more costlier than you are initially anticipating. And the last thing you want happen is for something catastrophic to happen your NSX becomes money-locked (idle while you save up enough money to fix it).
 
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and Elite.....if you can build my motor for under $10k using all the same compenents as I have.....shoot me a PM cause I have an extra short block with blown ringlands I need rebuilt.


I do this stuff on the side these days, and want to do less and less to be honest. Time to enjoy my own cars. However I have no issue continuing the conversation on the side and am willing to help however I can. Shoot(PM) me your email address and I'll get back to you.
 
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Making 800hp on the NSX and running the 9's is definitely possible and I am sure if all goes well you should hit that number. When we were chasing this number we were doing it in a Unlimited TA car with loads of DF. At the time it was still a new aero package so we experienced quite a bit of balance issues. When we ran the 10.0xxx it was on road race slicks. Prior to that we would use drag radials. Here is some friendly advice that will hopefully help the cause:

Run USD gears with OSG LSD or something equivalent
Do not cryo gears or axles
DO WPC treat the transmission
If targeting 800rwhp choose a clutch capable of 1k
Run Drag Slicks (at 700rwhp with Road Race slicks we experienced no loss of traction)
Two-Step
OEM brakes will be just fine on the strip
Set up suspension properly

As many said there are more fine details but I am sure you guys will sort it all out. Good luck and we wish you success! Hopefully, we will have a chance at it again once the car is retired:)
 
Thank you Ken for this valuable info again guys I'm just a proud Nsx owner that has learned everything about the Nsx thru this Great Site.I by no means am a mechanic or qualified to argue with anyone here about whos right or wrong >I value everyone's input here the same.I only know that as some have stated there are not to many people here drag racing their Nsx.So of course that leaves with only a hand full of us that have tried.I personally think it is very possible goal with some fine tuning & practice I hope to be the first to accomplish this mission.The car is almost done & cant wait to hear her start up.


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Making 800hp on the NSX and running the 9's is definitely possible and I am sure if all goes well you should hit that number. When we were chasing this number we were doing it in a Unlimited TA car with loads of DF. At the time it was still a new aero package so we experienced quite a bit of balance issues. When we ran the 10.0xxx it was on road race slicks. Prior to that we would use drag radials. Here is some friendly advice that will hopefully help the cause:

Run USD gears with OSG LSD or something equivalent
Do not cryo gears or axles
DO WPC treat the transmission
If targeting 800rwhp choose a clutch capable of 1k
Run Drag Slicks (at 700rwhp with Road Race slicks we experienced no loss of traction)
Two-Step
OEM brakes will be just fine on the strip
Set up suspension properly

As many said there are more fine details but I am sure you guys will sort it all out. Good luck and we wish you success! Hopefully, we will have a chance at it again once the car is retired:)
 
Good Luck. Ive been on this Club for quite a while. I have never seen an NSX run 9s. Most of the NSXs I've seen dragged were still full interior, AC, carpet, seats, ect, and please gut it fully. I could also be on this path If I wanted too but I decided to go road race instead. Please Be the first one to hit 9. Adam Saruwataris NSX was a tube chassis, 1,068 hp 3.2 motor at 2.2k lbs.
 
I'm starting to feel pretty slow now. Maybe E85 and a little more boost is the answer.
 
Soooo... what ever happened to this? I do recall getting a poop storm on this by simply saying that a 9 second NSX is a lot harder and more expensive than it would initially seem. I also recall people explaining to me that it wasn't that hard, and the 9 second 1/4 would fall in just a matter of days. Additionally, I recall explaining that history repeats itself when someone decrees they will best the 9 sec 1/4 mile and that it's easy and for $X dollars, but yet it doesn't happen and then nothing is made of it. This is exactly why I said what I said, and have said over and over again; only just to a newer set of newer members each time who haven't seen the repetitive cycle. I'm sure this will come up again in about a year when another newer member turbos their car and gets a fast 10s 1/4 mile. I'll say what I always say about it being harder than you think and to budget more money, and again a new crop of members will bash me and tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about; on and that I'm "hater". Then when I bring up that the fact that some of the newer members haven't seen this cycle before, I'll be called narrow minded and jealous because I never got 9's and spent a lot of money on my build.

Is a 9 second 1/4 NSX possible. YES! Is it harder and more expensive than most people initially anticipate? YES! What most people will find out is that at some point in time the cost and commitment require to actually build a 9 second NSX is do-able, but it just isn't worth it; or at least worth it to just to say you got a 9 sec NSX and brag about it on an online forum. Again, if a 9 sec NSX was so easy, it would have been done by now. There are a lot of people with bigger pocketbooks and more technical know-how who still haven't done it and as the NSX get's older and parts harder to come by, the chances of it get smaller and smaller. I would love to see the day someone blasts the 1/4 mile in the 9's in an NSX, which is why I try to paint as realistic picture of what it's going to take because I have been down that road already, rather than just say "yeah, do it".
 
you sir are a douche..................:topsy_turvy:
 
@ Vegas,

Yes I have heard my fair share of "I'm going to do this" and "I'm going to do that" especially online where everyone is king dingaling. That's what separates the serious guys who work their butts off for results from the internet warriors. A 9 second car? I have built many that were capable (with more than adequate power) but the customer/driver simply could not produce it at the track. So much has to go right, especially in a front drive let alone rear. I can only do so much with setup and then it's all left up to the driver to accomplish the rest. A nine second car coming at such a cheap price? Maybe but that would be rare. There are those who risk the whole setup for one good run to get that precious timeslip while doing it cheaply, and there are those who spend the money so the car replicates a good run time and time again and can drive home. I have a quote in my shop that says, "cheap and fast isn't reliable, cheap and reliable isn't fast, reliable and fast isn't cheap."

More issues with going to the track and running a good time in a street car are the officials and safety rules. I have had to make the choice with regard to destroying a perfectly good chassis with a roll cage and other various safety equipment just to have the opportunity to go to the track and run a fast time(ex. my CRX which I have owned for over 13 years). I would go to the track, run a good time and constantly get kicked off because my car didn't have the proper safety features. Finally getting tired of the gripe, in went a 10pt Morrison cage with removable side bars that didn't destroy my interior too much with other various safety items and an 8.50 cert so I could go to the track and run my 9s. Would I do that to my NSX? certainly not. Especially considering the complications with the aluminum chassis. Of course it can be done, but there are certainly a number of owners who wouldn't want to do that to their NSXs. Of course that's just another piece of the dilemma especially when DSS turns the other cheek at us NSX guys for stronger axles and Mark Williams quoted me $6000-$8000 for a set of custom kick ass ones. I have sheared teeth off the factory gears before because of the power factor and yes you can get a custom set of forged synchro gears strong enough for a pretty penny, but even then what next? Will the bell housing crack? Will the factory aluminum rear arms and ball joints handle the torque for long periods of time? Even the multiplate clutches available are cutting it close to the torque that engine is capable of producing. Yes you are right. Not many have gone down that road so the info/data isn't there for the X, but there are those who are patient like myself who will eventually do the legwork and figure that stuff out. Yes it is expensive, time consuming, and expect to break stuff getting there.
 
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I believe that our Lovefab NSX could indeed run into the 9's in the quarter mile, but I'm not willing to install a full cage, slicks (and honestly a better driver) then abuse the drivetrain in order to try and find out.

To those that do, my hat is off to you!

Brian
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you sir are a douche..................:topsy_turvy:

Hater! :smile:

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@ Vegas,

Yes I have heard my fair share of "I'm going to do this" and "I'm going to do that" especially online where everyone is king dingaling. That's what separates the serious guys who work their butts off for results from the internet warriors. A 9 second car? I have built many that were capable (with more than adequate power) but the customer/driver simply could not produce it at the track. So much has to go right, especially in a front drive let alone rear. I can only do so much with setup and then it's all left up to the driver to accomplish the rest. A nine second car coming at such a cheap price? Maybe but that would be rare. There are those who risk the whole setup for one good run to get that precious timeslip while doing it cheaply, and there are those who spend the money so the car replicates a good run time and time again and can drive home. I have a quote in my shop that says, "cheap and fast isn't reliable, cheap and reliable isn't fast, reliable and fast isn't cheap."

More issues with going to the track and running a good time in a street car are the officials and safety rules. I have had to make the choice with regard to destroying a perfectly good chassis with a roll cage and other various safety equipment just to have the opportunity to go to the track and run a fast time(ex. my CRX which I have owned for over 13 years). I would go to the track, run a good time and constantly get kicked off because my car didn't have the proper safety features. Finally getting tired of the gripe, in went a 10pt Morrison cage with removable side bars that didn't destroy my interior too much with other various safety items and an 8.50 cert so I could go to the track and run my 9s. Would I do that to my NSX? certainly not. Especially considering the complications with the aluminum chassis. Of course it can be done, but there are certainly a number of owners who wouldn't want to do that to their NSXs. Of course that's just another piece of the dilemma especially when DSS turns the other cheek at us NSX guys for stronger axles and Mark Williams quoted me $6000-$8000 for a set of custom kick ass ones. I have sheared teeth off the factory gears before because of the power factor and yes you can get a custom set of forged synchro gears strong enough for a pretty penny, but even then what next? Will the bell housing crack? Will the factory aluminum rear arms and ball joints handle the torque for long periods of time? Even the multiplate clutches available are cutting it close to the torque that engine is capable of producing. Yes you are right. Not many have gone down that road so the info/data isn't there for the X, but there are those who are patient like myself who will eventually do the legwork and figure that stuff out. Yes it is expensive, time consuming, and expect to break stuff getting there.

Yes, that's pretty much what I've been saying, but you've summed it up much more elegantly than I. It's the intangibles that become a larger and larger factor as you start to push that limit. Once you fix and strengthen one part, it only passes more power to down the chain to break something else. I feel like generating the HP is the easy part. The real challenge is being able to apply it to the ground (driver included), and without breaking something. That's the part these "theoretical" forum racers just don't seem to get when they figure out how much it would cost to get a 9 sec NSX. Then they'll label you a hater because you actually challenge their opinions with first hand experience. It sucks too because much lesser vehicles with much less HP, cost and complexity seem to be able to pull of 9 sec 1/4 miles with much more ease. There is something about the NSX chassis that makes it much more difficult and costly. From what I've seen is that up to about 650 whp, there isn't enough power to break into the 9's. But once you start hitting the 650-1,000 whp, there is no way to apply it to the ground to extract all that power or reliably enough to make multiple passes to make a 9 sec run.
 
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